00:41:51 <ouT-Phaze> 'lo, BellaDiavolo
00:42:08 <BellaDiavolo> hey ouT-Phaze

00:42:12 <BellaDiavolo> lol
00:43:39 <BellaDiavolo> not much
00:43:44 <BellaDiavolo> Lagging

00:43:58 <ouT-Phaze> Do you know anything about music production software?
00:44:17 <BellaDiavolo> Daddy and little sis are in town to visit . . .took them downtown to a concert, viewed some architecture, and ate dinner in chinatown. now suffering from too much food

00:44:29 <ouT-Phaze> theblackline: Hmm?
00:44:30 <theblackline> ouT-Phaze, I am currently away. Reason: programing this [link] to be my new emote pad of DOOM
00:44:58 <ouT-Phaze> I think I just named all the big guns, actually
00:45:15 <ouT-Phaze> BellaDiavolo, I am currently away. Reason: Teaching Platinus how to work Reason =^.^=-<3
00:45:37 <ouT-Phaze> BellaDiavolo: lol
00:45:54 <ouT-Phaze> tehehe
00:46:05 <ouT-Phaze> oh, so you probably got to use a Venue board =o.o=
00:46:37 <ouT-Phaze> and you were using Pro-Tools|HD (or TDM, if it was an older version), weren't you? =>.<=
00:47:20 <BellaDiavolo> TDM. this was about 4 years ago
00:48:38 <ouT-Phaze> lol
00:48:46 <ouT-Phaze> I decided I wanted to try my hands at Psy-Trance
00:49:19 <ouT-Phaze> it's more of a... cousin... twice removed... than a sister
00:49:42 <ouT-Phaze> #1
00:50:00 <ouT-Phaze> most of the time
00:50:15 <ouT-Phaze> They use trancy synths... most of the time
00:50:46 <ouT-Phaze> again, most of the time, but I'm done saying that, since, all rules are broken in all genres at times
00:51:00 <ouT-Phaze> that's where the similarities stop, though
00:51:05 <ouT-Phaze> the idea behind Trance is...
00:51:11 <ouT-Phaze> 4-to-the-floor
00:51:34 <ouT-Phaze> follows 1/8th-note and 1/4th-note patterns
00:51:49 <ouT-Phaze> with 16th-note and 32nd-note patterns saved for rolls and effects
00:51:59 <BellaDiavolo>

I'm on firmer ground with music theory. carry on.
00:52:06 <ouT-Phaze> using, most of the time, Sawtooth synthesizers
00:52:13 <ouT-Phaze> and Sinewaves
00:53:12 <ouT-Phaze> with the bass driving the sound
00:53:24 <ouT-Phaze> and the melody conducting
00:53:30 <ouT-Phaze> but with Psy-Trance...
00:55:08 <ouT-Phaze> Psy-trance follows 1/16th-note, 1/16th-triplets, 1/8th-triplets, and sometimes 1/32nd-note patterns
00:55:15 <ouT-Phaze> but the notes aren't on the key presses
00:55:21 <ouT-Phaze> the notes are controlled by gates
00:55:56 <BellaDiavolo> gates?
00:56:13 <ouT-Phaze> gates
00:56:32 <ouT-Phaze> ok, quick note for you, since you haven't learned too much about audio, and this is the best tip I can give ANYONE about audio
00:56:49 <BellaDiavolo> 'k
00:56:58 <ouT-Phaze> In audio, unlike any other industry, every effect, button, knob, whatever, does EXACTLY what it says, which is really nice
00:57:02 <ouT-Phaze> a gate does exactly that
00:57:14 <ouT-Phaze> instead of the sound in psy being controlled by pressing the actual note
00:57:23 <ouT-Phaze> most of the time the note is just held on through the ENTIRE song
00:57:51 <ouT-Phaze> and gates, which can open and let all sound through, close and let none, or only open a certain amount on certain frequencies
00:58:01 <BellaDiavolo> oh okay so it's like an organ. got it.
00:58:17 <ouT-Phaze> yeah, Psy uses gates instead of key-presses
00:58:20 <ouT-Phaze> it's weird
00:58:22 <ouT-Phaze> like an organ?
00:58:54 <BellaDiavolo> er, never mind. Suffice it to say, I understand. I just can't explain how I made that connection. Moving along.
00:59:15 <BellaDiavolo> weird, but almost impossibly precise
00:59:20 <ouT-Phaze> lol
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01:00:01 <ouT-Phaze> but yeah, it's gate controlled, instead of note controlled
01:00:09 <ouT-Phaze> which is the BEGINNING of the weirdness
01:00:18 <ouT-Phaze> next comes to the mere idea behind Psy
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latinus> ]away ouT-Phaze is teachin me how to make music
01:00:51 <Niyol> Platinus is now away. (ouT-Phaze is teachin me how to make music)
01:01:23 <BellaDiavolo> okay, I'm followin' so far. Bring on the weird.
01:01:34 <ouT-Phaze> Psy takes one sound, splits it off into 347598237698273643745234 copies of that sound, sends each one through their own seperate paths for effects, and then brings them back to the main mix as many layers of completely new sounds, made from the original ONE sound, to make an entire part
01:02:30 <BellaDiavolo> that's oddly . . .hot. Is that the actual number, or just something ridiculously huge?
01:05:40 <

latinus> BellaDiavolo is providing an interesting out of chat topic
01:05:51 <ouT-Phaze> BellaDiavolo: Just an exageration
01:05:59 <

latinus>

01:06:09 <ouT-Phaze> but yeah
01:06:38 <ouT-Phaze> the part that makes it time consuming, rather than hard, es the fact that there are only 3, maybe four (I'm going to list them all in a second) kinds of effects
01:07:41 * ouT-Phaze is away:


01:08:56 <BellaDiavolo> Platinus: just reacting to ouT-Phaze's explanation. I'm a tech person, I can't help but be impressed . . .even turned on. Forgive the totally-not-related-to-Apo topic, though . . .I'm afraid I rather encouraged him

01:08:56 <ouT-Phaze> BellaDiavolo, I am currently away. Reason:


01:08:56 <Niyol> BellaDiavolo: platinus is away. (ouT-Phaze is teachin me how to make music)
01:10:01 * ouT-Phaze is away: Teaching Platinus the joys of Reason
01:10:06 * ouT-Phaze is away: Teaching Platinus the joys of Reason =^.^=-<3
01:10:54 <

latinus> BellaDiavolo: it's ok, but, the first move you make on him and you're histroy...He's mine!
01:11:43 <ouT-Phaze> hahaha
01:11:45 <

latinus> *history...much like typing!
01:12:31 <ouT-Phaze> but yeah, to the reason that I started this rant...
01:12:34 <theblackline> i so love this keypad
01:12:42 <BellaDiavolo> Platinus: nope you can keep him. I'll just take the technology! :computer:

01:12:42 <ouT-Phaze> wait, one last thing about psy
01:12:42 <Niyol> BellaDiavolo: platinus is away. (ouT-Phaze is teachin me how to make music)
01:12:46 <theblackline> it makes me melt and bubble like a happy volcano
01:12:51 <viper86> Platinus: how was 300
01:12:51 <Niyol> viper86: platinus is away. (ouT-Phaze is teachin me how to make music)
01:12:52 <viper86> ?
01:13:07 <ouT-Phaze> an entire song of psy can be done out of real-world instruments entirely, just with proper effects done, and the big numbers again, and whatnot
01:13:34 <

latinus> viper86: let's put it this way
01:14:24 <

latinus> viper86: with 300 scantilly glad hot bodies fighting an army belonging to a gender bending Celine Dion look alike, how can you go wrong?
01:14:28 <ouT-Phaze> but yeah, the reason for the rant
01:14:38 <ouT-Phaze> I'm trying my hands at psy right now
01:14:41 <viper86> Platinus: so you liked it?
01:14:42 <Niyol> viper86: platinus is away. (ouT-Phaze is teachin me how to make music)
01:14:55 <

latinus>

01:15:00 <ouT-Phaze> I'm pretty well learned in a lot of software, I'm Pro-Tools AND Logic Certified
01:15:25 <ouT-Phaze> but it took me 5 hours to make this:
[link]
01:15:30 <ouT-Phaze> FIVE HOURS
01:15:33 <ouT-Phaze> for ONE sound
01:15:38 <ouT-Phaze> JUST an intro
01:15:42 <ouT-Phaze> NOTHING else
01:16:38 <BellaDiavolo> ouT-Phaze: sorry my download speed died all of a sudden . . .give me a second to get that . . .
01:16:38 <ouT-Phaze> BellaDiavolo, I am currently away. Reason: Teaching Platinus the joys of Reason =^.^=-<3
01:17:01 <ouT-Phaze> and the sound only has four layers, other than the original dry sound
01:17:39 <BellaDiavolo> ouT-Phaze: sorry that was going to take about 10 years to open, so I'm just going to take your word for it
01:17:39 <ouT-Phaze> BellaDiavolo, I am currently away. Reason: Teaching Platinus the joys of Reason =^.^=-<3
01:17:46 <

latinus> the freaking Persians decapitated the one really cute hot Spartan,though...
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latinus> which made me really sad
01:17:52 <cschrensky> oh mah gawd
01:18:02 <ouT-Phaze> cschrensky: =o.o=;;
01:18:03 <ouT-Phaze> ?
01:18:08 <cschrensky> hi

01:18:21 <

latinus> cschrensky: don't make me start
01:18:29 <

latinus> I'll bring Panzyo in here

01:18:32 <cschrensky> ...
01:18:36 <ouT-Phaze> BellaDiavolo: oh yeah, and it's not very clean, since I just threw together the end result so I'd have something to show for my frustration
01:18:41 * cschrensky fears he already did somethin
01:18:55 <viper86> cschrensky: why?
01:19:06 <viper86> cschrensky: why did you have to go and say that...?
01:19:14 <ouT-Phaze> theblackline: what makes you bubble? Psy?
01:19:15 <theblackline> ouT-Phaze, I am currently away. Reason: programing this [link] to be my new emote pad of DOOM
01:19:31 <theblackline> ouT-Phaze: the thing in the link
01:19:31 <ouT-Phaze> theblackline, I am currently away. Reason: Teaching Platinus the joys of Reason =^.^=-<3
01:19:43 <theblackline>

away wars
01:19:52 <viper86> alright
01:19:53 <viper86> im out
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latinus> ]ping
01:19:55 <Niyol> Ping...
01:19:55 <Niyol> ...pong! (0.12457895278931)
01:19:56 <viper86> bedtime
01:19:56 * cschrensky is done talking
01:20:01 <viper86> night everyone
01:20:11 <BellaDiavolo> ouT-Phaze: on one hand, ugh. damn. I can see why it would take longer to put together. is the end result worth it? and is there a learning curve, I mean will you figure out how to pull a lot more sounds together with more uses of limited effects in a shorter period of time?
01:20:12 <ouT-Phaze> BellaDiavolo, I am currently away. Reason: Teaching Platinus the joys of Reason =^.^=-<3
01:20:16 <BellaDiavolo> or is this just the way it goes?
01:20:30 <cschrensky> nite viper86!!!

01:20:48 <ouT-Phaze> BellaDiavolo: oh yeah, I never got to explaining the 3-4 effects that exist
01:21:00 <ouT-Phaze> sure, there are hundreds upon hundreds of different effects out there
01:21:14 <ouT-Phaze> but they are really just variations of 3-4 main ones
01:21:17 <ouT-Phaze> Delay
01:21:23 <ouT-Phaze> well
01:21:24 <cschrensky> Platinus: i think im getting a hang of julians

01:21:24 <Niyol> cschrensky: platinus is away. (ouT-Phaze is teachin me how to make music)
01:21:25 <ouT-Phaze> Time-Based
01:21:29 <cschrensky> ooo
01:21:30 <ouT-Phaze> Frequency-Based
01:21:41 <ouT-Phaze> Amplitude-Based
01:21:53 <ouT-Phaze> (for the digital-age) Bit-based
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latinus> ]away ouT-Phaze is teaching me how to make music <#
01:22:28 <Niyol> Platinus is now away. (ouT-Phaze is teaching me how to make music <#)
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latinus> ...
01:22:41 <cschrensky> you were already away!
01:22:43 <ouT-Phaze> you've heard of Flange, Delay, and Chorus before
01:22:47 <

latinus> ]away ouT-Phaze is teaching me how to make music <3
01:22:48 <Niyol> Platinus is now away. (ouT-Phaze is teaching me how to make music <3)
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latinus> ouT-Phaze: I'll bit base you!
01:22:54 <ouT-Phaze> Platinus, I am currently away. Reason: Teaching Platinus the joys of Reason =^.^=-<3
01:22:54 <BellaDiavolo> ouT-Phaze:

01:23:02 <ouT-Phaze> Those are all time-based
01:23:08 <ouT-Phaze> they're all the same exact effect
01:23:24 <BellaDiavolo> ouT-Phaze: mmhmm
01:23:24 <ouT-Phaze> BellaDiavolo, I am currently away. Reason: Teaching Platinus the joys of Reason =^.^=-<3
01:23:32 <ouT-Phaze> Delay takes two (or more, depending on the feedback) copies of the sound, and replays them
01:23:45 <ouT-Phaze> Flange does the same, only it just makes one copy
01:23:56 <ouT-Phaze> and only moves it off-time by a very very small amount
01:24:06 <ouT-Phaze> and that time fluctuates to make the Flange sound
01:24:12 <ouT-Phaze> Chorus is a non-moving flange
01:25:38 <ouT-Phaze> And then you've heard of Destortion, EQ, and Compressor, right?
01:25:44 <ouT-Phaze> *Distortion
01:26:27 * ouT-Phaze

BellaDiavolo
01:26:29 <BellaDiavolo> yes, of course
01:26:30 <BellaDiavolo> sorry
01:26:32 <ouT-Phaze> lol
01:26:37 <ouT-Phaze> those are all Frequency-based
01:26:41 * cschrensky needs a new friend

01:26:41 <BellaDiavolo> yes
01:27:16 <ouT-Phaze> Distortion throws frequencies into super- and sub-harmonic levels, simulating harmonic-distortion
01:27:35 <ouT-Phaze> EQ takes certain Frequencies (pitches) from a sound and boosts or cuts them certain amounts
01:28:12 <ouT-Phaze> Compressor takes certain frequencies, and lowers them only when they reach a certain volume threshold
01:29:36 <ouT-Phaze> Amplitude based would be a gate
01:29:46 <BellaDiavolo> mmhmm
01:29:48 <ouT-Phaze> or a compressor (got that one mixed up
01:29:49 <ouT-Phaze> )
01:30:03 <ouT-Phaze> (phaser is frequency-based, not compressor)
01:30:24 <BellaDiavolo>

that's okay. I can follow you easily enough, but I wouldn't be able to catch you if you made a mistake
01:30:36 <BellaDiavolo> although yes, that does make more sense.
01:30:41 <ouT-Phaze> Bit-based is stuff like Bit-Crushers, BPM-Distorters, etc.
01:30:56 <ouT-Phaze> a bit-crusher takes digital sound, which is normall 16-bit
01:30:56 <BellaDiavolo> ok
01:30:59 <ouT-Phaze> and lowers it
01:32:20 <ouT-Phaze> which can give it a nintendo, or better/worse, sound
01:32:26 <ouT-Phaze> technically Frequency based
01:32:39 <ouT-Phaze> but it controlls bit-rate, not actual frequency
01:32:49 <ouT-Phaze> but by changing the bitrate, you change frequency
01:33:00 <ouT-Phaze> because the resolution of the sample is lowered
01:33:05 <ouT-Phaze> and that...
01:33:08 <ouT-Phaze> is my Psy-Trance rant
01:33:28 <ouT-Phaze> I'm angry... but I'm going to keep enjoying this, because it's fun, just frustratingly time-consuming
01:33:51 <ouT-Phaze> doing some of the stuff they do...
01:34:07 <ouT-Phaze> they'll have up to 50-60 different layers of a single sound
01:34:21 <ouT-Phaze> and some of those layers will only be used for a split second, possibly even less
01:35:35 * ouT-Phaze breathes
01:35:46 * ouT-Phaze saves this for future reference and possibly news postage
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2. It does not matter whether it's news for you because its supposed to be news for the majority of the community, not the very small minority
3. Your self-promoting yourself which isnt allowed
4. FAQ #687: What is news and what is not news?
clearly states what guidelines and rules to follow and you have clearly not considered them
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Well, it's ok to write something about Psy-Trance and the way you have experienced it if it was written as a proper editorial on the subject. Instead all you did was post a chat transcript
You will notice at the bottom of this "news" you have posted where it says "Who loved it?", how many people liked/disliked your article. Rejections tell alot about whether the article is good or not
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The delete feature was not given as a priviledge because it could be severly exploited/abused. People take alot of the features here on dA for granted and exploit/abuse it. With the delete feature (the edit feature comes with it) not available to everyone, it would also make the newsposter really gather the facts/present a news article in a better manner seeing as they wont be able to come back to make corrections so they have to be spot on
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