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An Observation of deviantART

*ProjectComment:iconProjectComment: reports, 2d 23h ago
Discussing page views, activity and popularity, ~ChaoticSkye explores the inner workings of the community on deviantART from her point of view.

Although this does not apply to everyone, we hope the article is a worthwhile read and that the majority perceive things from a different point of view from reading this.

Daily deviations explicadas por expertas!

=noticias:iconnoticias: reports, November 26
Estas tres chicas son expertas en el tema de sugerir Daily Deviations, ellas 3 suman cientos de DDs aceptas y publicadas en deviantART.

Entiende de una vez por todas el tema de las Daily Deviations…

How to?

=morbidthegrim:iconmorbidthegrim: reports, November 27
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A Guide For Help To Become Good - And Respected

*llama-doll:iconllama-doll: reports, November 25
A guide for help to become good - and respected.

llama doll

Art Thieves- Learn to spot them!

~Azureluck:iconAzureluck: reports, November 25
Feeling suspicious about an art that appears to be stolen? Here are some things that make art theft easier to spot.

Establishing a Process for Better Art

`Rahll:iconRahll: reports, November 23
In this article I'll talk about establishing a process of working on art that will help you turn out much better work without as much struggling or confusion.

¿Porqué desaparece una Daily Deviation?

=noticias:iconnoticias: reports, November 23
¿Porqué desaparece una Daily Deviation?

Suicide Survivors Day - 22nd November

~shadowlight-oak:iconshadowlight-oak: reports, November 21
For every person who dies from suicide 20 more attempt but survive

Project Comment: Around dA Issue 5

*ProjectComment:iconProjectComment: reports, November 22
Project Comment is all about the community, so instead of just sticking to one thing and effectively closing all our walls and doors, we’re issuing a weekly Around dA, Project Comment style.

This news article includes things you can take part of (Groups, Features, Projects and More!), FAQs and Tuts, Guides and Resources. Each category is limited to only five things so that you have time to visit each individually.

Have something to suggest? Note us! :D
3 comments   Editorials  Last +fav: *DigDug71

Challenging Yourself to Become a Better Artist

`Rahll:iconRahll: reports, November 21
Becoming a better artist means knowing how to challenge yourself, and maintaining a positive attitude even when nothing seems to be working out the way you want it to.

This article explores how to push yourself to do things you never thought you could do.

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An Observation of deviantART

*ProjectComment:iconProjectComment: reports, 2d 23h ago
Discussing page views, activity and popularity, ~ChaoticSkye explores the inner workings of the community on deviantART from her point of view.

Although this does not apply to everyone, we hope the article is a worthwhile read and that the majority perceive things from a different point of view from reading this.

How to?

=morbidthegrim:iconmorbidthegrim: reports, November 27
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Daily deviations explicadas por expertas!

=noticias:iconnoticias: reports, November 26
Estas tres chicas son expertas en el tema de sugerir Daily Deviations, ellas 3 suman cientos de DDs aceptas y publicadas en deviantART.

Entiende de una vez por todas el tema de las Daily Deviations…

What not to say to artists.

~MyaChan13:iconMyaChan13: reports, November 28
Think before you comment. 4 things you should keep in mind before saying something.

Amazing Pictures, Pollution in China

=zesly:iconzesly: reports, November 25
40 very impressive picture.

October 14, 2009, the 30th annual awards ceremony of the W. Eugene Smith Memorial Fund took place at the Asia Society in New York City. Lu Guang (卢广;) from People’s Republic of China won the $30,000 W. Eugene Smith Grant in Humanistic Photography for his documentary project “;Pollution in China.”
6 comments   Editorials  Last +fav: ~Sangel99

Daily Deviations - The 'Do's and 'Don't's

*llama-doll:iconllama-doll: reports, 2d 7h ago
DD dos and donts llama doll

PanoramaClub November 2009 Submissions

=PanoramaClub:iconPanoramaClub: reports, 1d 7h ago
Here are the deviations submitted to the =PanoramaClub during October 2009. You may visit our Collection for 2009.11 or visit the thumbs below...

Realms of Fantasy and Myth: Week 24 - Drow

~ladyarah:iconladyarah: reports, 20h 36m ago
Realms of Fantasy and Myth: Week 24 - Drow

Correcting Peoples Attitude About Art and Artists

=Ditroi:iconDitroi: reports, November 28
As a working artist, as an art teacher and as a person who remembers her childhood really clearly... let me say this...
6 comments   Editorials  Last +fav: ~MESHQUBE

The Stigma of Suicide

~ShatterTheStigma:iconShatterTheStigma: reports, 20h 25m ago
stigma is our enermy

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ART THEFT

*LaPurr:iconLaPurr: reports, July 26, 2007
Did you know that dA doesn’t think that fractalists own the parameters to their images? That in their eyes, an image made from someone else’s parameters isn’t art theft? Well, it’s true and I’ll explain. It will take a moment, so please bear with me.

(I won’t be naming names in this article. Some of you will know exactly who the players are and some of you will have no idea whatsoever. That’s okay, because the background of what I’m going to tell you isn’t as important as the outcome.)

A few weeks ago, a deviant was discovered to have used other people’s parameters to make those people’s images and then posted the images as their own. In some cases the images were uploaded exactly as the other people had made them and in some cases this particular deviant cropped the images and/or changed the gradients a bit, but in the end, the images posted were stolen. Some were even the property of other deviants! This deviant took the kudos and praise which never belonged to them.

Eventually, another deviant realized that this person had stolen their images and asked the offender to remove the images from their gallery. The offending deviant complied. More people asked the deviant to remove their images as well and again, the deviant complied. In the end, it turned out that the offending deviant had uploaded hundreds of stolen images!

The deviant admitted to have taken the parameters from a mailing list for one particular fractal program. The deviant removed all of their stolen images from their gallery and acted as if what they had done was no big deal. To real fractalists, however, this was, is and should be a huge deal.

The deviant was reported as an art thief. Notes were sent to and from various angry deviants (me included) and the administrators. Proof of theft was produced. It was irrefutable proof, by the way, in the form of some of the original images which were on the websites of the original artists and in a few cases, the copyrighted parameters for some of the images. No one who knows about parameters could have failed to see that the offending deviant’s images were the property of others.

Or so you’d think.

One of the people who were incensed at the scale of the theft was directly responsible for providing all of that proof and continued to push the admins to ban this thieving deviant. Nothing was done. More notes were sent. Still nothing was done. The final straw came just recently, in a note sent to the angered deviant by one of the admins:

“The evidence offered by *LaPurr seemed to indicate that the alleged 'thief' was simply plugging in numbers and parameters into a fractal generating program which were obtained elsewhere.
This is not considered theft.”

WHAT?!? Excuse me? That’s not theft? What do they consider it to be if not outright theft? Anyone who makes fractals knows that the parameters ARE the image! The series of letters and/or numbers which constitute a parameter set will, if opened in another copy of the program, reproduce the original image exactly. But to the admins, parameters mean nothing. In their eyes, there was no theft and nothing should be done to punish the thief. This site seems to care little about theft by one of their members.

To say that I’m outraged is to put it mildly…very mildly. In my opinion, the thief should be banned for life. Period.

I wanted to make you all aware that if someone manages to get hold of the parameters for one of your images, such as the parameters available on the Ultra Fractal mailing list, they can reproduce one of your images, upload it to dA and nothing will be done to them. The parameters do not belong to you as far as dA is concerned.

I would really appreciate it if one of you who are more adept than I at the mathematics of fractals would take it upon themselves to note the help desk and explain just why parameter theft is image theft; I can’t explain it in such a way as to make non-fractalists understand.

A ripped image is a ripped image is a ripped image and the thief who stole so many fractals needs to be banned from here. Now.


Devious Comments

:iconjacquelined:
I think that is absolutely disgraceful that the admin of DA regard this as Non-theft... it takes a lot of hard work and hours creating certain fractals, and to get one exactly the same is impossible... to say that the parameters mean nothing.. then that goes for the camera, the pencils, the paints, and most of all the CREATIVITY/IMAGINATION of the artists...

I'm disgusted in the attitude of admin lately with their so called "concern" for the artists on here, other sites fight for their communities copyrights..

Its taken the members here to start up their own vigilante group RATF [link] which shouldn't have had to happen..

The more i hear about these things the more i'm seriously thinking of cleaning out my gallery.. and I know of others who feel the same way, why stay here when you work your ass off creating art, then having people who are supposed to support their members kick you in the teeth and tell you your work isn't worth fighting for...

ummm sorry got carried away.. just makes me :fork:

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:iconmacncheese45:
Oh dang. o_o;

I am not a fractalist, but I think I understand.

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:iconjacquelined:
Don't worry.. it doesn't just happen to fractalists.. I know of artists who do photography as well as illustrations who have had worked ripped, its not just the fractal community.. so be warned, if your ripped don't wait for DA to help they'll probably tell you that the ripper was holidaying or living at that same place you took that particular pic ;)

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Jacqueline

Member of:-

Darktactics [link]

Apophysis [link]

Imagers fractaldds [link]

Supporter of:-
RATF (Ripped Art Task Force) [link]
:iconamazeme:
I don't know the story behind this but it is obvious that a set of parameters are the mathmatical settings for a particular image (for fractals of course). The only way to avoid anything like this from happening is to not post up any image parameters at all.
For someone to take a parameter set and say that they made it is THEFT of the original producers work -- DUH -- not to dificult to figure that out -- maybe the admin staff on this site needs to be completly changed IMO!!!

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:iconcigarash:
Very well said!

I know nothing of parameters myself having never made a fractal, but I can imagine there's a fair bit of work involved. Let's just hope somebody puts this/these wretched villain(s) out of the picture (no pun intended) for good.

:D

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:iconmuds-dark-goddess:
amen brutha- they need to be banned for life, never to return to DA and also warn places like Sheezy etc...
i cant believe people would do this... :disbelief:

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[link] oh my- what does THIS link do mm?
:icontdierikx:
That's why I only share parameters publicly for images that I don't mind others reproducing as exact copies. Too much grief involved tracking down the thieves... grrr!

I'm happy to share any of my other parameters only with people I know and trust - to use as learning aids to further their own endeavours... and have had the same courtesy extended to me as well (hugs for all those wonderful people BTW!)
:iconjimpan1973:
You're right! How do you explain that to da's staff???

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:iconnorwegianangel:
what?!
but that f*ckass posted images other people had made! if he had stolen other types of art,like photographs or manips,he would have been banned long ago:pissed:

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:iconsophquest:
:wow: If the powers-that-be here at DA were to extrapolate all of the billions of mathematical possibilities when creating a fractal parameter, then perhaps they would understand just what it takes to create them.
It is virtually impossible for two people to create the same exact fractal by chance, unless it is the most basic (bare bones) mandlebrot.
So, yes....This circumstance should most definitely be considered
theft! .....Hopefully, they will reconsider this issue.
Thanks for bringing it to our attention. This is important.

:rose: Sophquest

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