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Growing Up with Sex and Art

~disscordia:icondisscordia: reports, September 12, 2007
As artists it is part of our creative curiosity to push ourselves and our art to the limits. War, love, hate, confusion, obsession, disgust: it’s all part of the Human Condition we grow to learn about and try to understand in the time we have.

One of the easiest boundaries to attack [in the US-American culture at any rate] is sexuality - not only because this is a society so entrenched in morality wars but because sexual identity is thrown at us everyday. From the Abercrombie & Fitch ads plastering billboards to dime store romance novels to the way we dress our children and teach toddlers the "gender appropriate" differences between "what boys do" and "what girls do" it all swings around what might swing between your legs.

Art is intimacy. It is highly sensual. We touch it, see it, smell it, taste it, hear it, feel it with our minds as we imagine and work in ways which manipulate reality. To draw a nude is to caress those same lines that make up the perception of a human being into existence. What a photographer does with a lens or a musician creates with catgut amounts to the same thing – a sensual experience that can be as intellectual or evocative as the observer perceives.

Like eating and surviving there’s a world of ways to go about it and a world of different viewpoints that follow. In Victorian times to see a woman’s ankles was scandalous. Nowadays there seem to be unspoken competitions as to how little a person can wear in public without getting arrested. 500 years ago girls were married off – sex and all – as soon as they hit puberty. These days people are waiting later to get married and have children of their own. 1000 years ago marriage was a contract – nothing more. Yesterday a friend regaled me with how she and her circle of friends in high school "played around" all the time while she was growing up. Romeo today would be arrested as a pedophile.

Guess what? Kids learn about sex in different ways. Get the fuck over it.

Mind you, I’m not advocating a lack of censorship or authority, just wanting to point out how grey the lines are between Art and "Titillating One-Handed Viewing Material" [to use some phrase other than a loaded buzz word]. What works for one person in one way may for someone else be interprably different. Guidance for our citizens, particularly our younger members, is one thing but oppressive "protection" is something different.

Adolescence is a turbulent time in a person’s life. It’s when someone starts learning about who they are and what the world is about. Aspects of duty, education, social interaction, commerce and personal identity – including sexuality – are all throwing themselves upon a person at once. What’s more as can be seen in an American culture and most especially in an artistic one, the concept of "individuality" is esteemed highly. As such an up-and-coming young person attempting to understand, contribute to, gain feedback from and be accepted by such a group of like-minded people naturally has some teeth to cut first.

It should come as no surprise that young people are submitting "inappropriate" deviations when, from just a precursory glance of today’s featured deviations, such things as Coconut ‘n’ Tequila, cowgirl kitty-Non Flash, Acedia and Gula Corsets, Wonder-World, Shut Eye or the digital works of artists such as azazel1944 are being promoted as ‘highly popular’, acceptable or having exceptional artistic worth.

So don’t say that this creation of potentially titillating one-handed viewing material is acceptable as Art while a photograph of the exact same thing is not because that is BULL FUCKING SHIT. This is the community we live in and sex, while it also sells, is also an Art.

Rules should be established and enforced, and they have been, but keep in mind how biased or inadequate laws can become as humanity refines itself around them. "Age of consent" varies per country, sexual orientation or epoch. Internalizing rules can only establish so much discipline, criminalizing societal deviants can only deter so many and fine lines between "pushing the limits" and "going too far" are constantly crossed, erased and redrawn but how many of us have found out in pursuit of our craft that if there’s a will there’s always a way?

But hey, maybe fifty-five-thousand pageviews are wrong. And if parents are really concerned with how artistically their children are growing, maybe they should be more involved.

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=studpup:iconstudpup: Sep 12, 2007, 2:36:59 PM
you know it's funny. i've come across a few photos that were similar to that piece you posted and i doubt most got removed. what's funny, though, is that if the subject is male... it's gone faster than you can blink, or so it seems.

i can deal with the regulations here. i get where the company is coming from, being based out of america especially. and more than that, if that's policy, then that's policy. fine. but... why all the double standards? some consistency would be nice...

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everyone stands alone at the heart of the world
pierced by a ray of sunlight,
and suddenly it is evening.
~misericordia:iconmisericordia: Sep 12, 2007, 10:06:26 PM
You make a good point.

What I've noticed on DA is the awful nude "art" which is basically some vain skank taking a naked photo of herself that has no artistic merit but may actually get several favorites and cheeky comments like "great tits" or "nice ass" just because so many horny, art-demented people on here just like the tits they see on the girl and don't take into any consideration the fact that the photo has absolutely NO artistic merit. I think it's those kinds of photos which lead to adolescents producing sexual photos despite being underage or whatever. I reckon it's the difference that with nude art which is actually artistic, the viewer may be able to look past the full frontal nudity and see the aesthetic of the overall photo and not focus on breasts or a vagina or a penis. Though when you have some unartistic image of a chick's ass, that's all it is...an ass, there's no substance, no further aesthetic quality to focus on, so all they see is ASS.

Argh. Sorry about that rant. I dunno if you get my point. But I just posted a long argument about DA members' art standards, so I'm still in a ranting mood.

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:blackrose: * Only after disaster can you be resurrected.

~thericho :heart:
~Hellwolve:iconHellwolve: Sep 13, 2007, 1:31:32 AM
You make a good point :) Unfortunately, I think it's slightly marred by the fact you've tossed some 'fucks' in this otherwise eloquently written article. Plus, I feel you're trying to make two points; I would've tried to make one or the other.

My apologies if you find it offensive that I've critiqued this almost as if it were a literature Deviation :)

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"...and the earth becomes my throne
I adapt to the unknown
Under wandering stars I've grown
By myself but not alone"
~disscordia:icondisscordia: Sep 17, 2007, 11:31:26 AM
No worries. It's a complicated issue and there's no easy answer. You've got the concern over artistic freedom on one hand and a flux between morality and the concerns over the development of sexual identity on the other. It's not really one argument to begin with.

The expletives are debatable additions but I stand beside them. Academia without passion is stale and ranting without logic is juvenile. Here I'm shooting for a human perspective.
~disscordia:icondisscordia: Sep 17, 2007, 12:15:07 PM
Ranting helps us work out what's on our minds, kind of like an emotive snapshot our loved ones can embarrass us with later.

Fortunately we have discussion boards like this to keep open debate regarding important matters and what we as a community believe in.

No I don't approve of sexually explicit images of adolescent (or pre-) children created for titilatory purposes but I can understand why adolescents or any young artist would create such.

Unfortunately "sex" and sexuality are so strongly ingrained as synonymous with titilation in general that any attempts to experiment with it otherwise for those who come from more culturally modest societies is a huge roadblock to their artistic growth.

Sex can be many things, but a lot of people can't seem to see the many aspects of it for the tinted glasses they wear.
~disscordia:icondisscordia: Sep 17, 2007, 12:22:18 PM
Welcome to the crazy world we live in hon. Fortunately it's also a changing world and what's doublespeak today may be less so tomorrow.

By the by, I've just noticed that everyone who approves of these forum posts is identified on the post itself but those who do not aren't. How imbalanced is that...?
=studpup:iconstudpup: Sep 17, 2007, 1:08:25 PM
yeah i know. i guess i was stating the obvious. meh

and you're right. i hadn't noticed that either - that only the people who approve are listed by name. that's a bit ridiculous. if they worry about people being flamed for not approving something, couldn't the reverse happen as well? meh (again)

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everyone stands alone at the heart of the world
pierced by a ray of sunlight,
and suddenly it is evening.
~misericordia:iconmisericordia: Sep 17, 2007, 6:47:31 PM
Hm yes, that's very true.
I came across a girl on here the other night who looked like she was about 12 or 13, but she had big boobs and all and had posted an array of photos where her boobs are the center of attention, obviously attracting creepy comments from guys who are at least 8 years older. Pretty nasty...

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:blackrose: * Only after disaster can you be resurrected.

~thericho :heart:
~disscordia:icondisscordia: Sep 19, 2007, 9:14:08 AM
I asked the helpdesk about it and they stated it was "to protect the identity of those who disagree", disregarding the arguments I made otherwise. They also said the policy wouldn't be changed soon...

*squint*