This opinion has been formed based on a recent rip of my work off site and since that time I've drawn some conclusions about the kind of people that download resources in general that add to the potential problems that resource providers face. People don't have to agree with my solution or conclusion but these are the things I've come to believe are best and true.
To start off:
A lot of people provide resources but some- and I don't know what the percentage is- have removed theirs due to rips and other violations. I don't think it should ever get that far - in fact, the only reason to completely remove resources are for the sake of selling them on your own site but thats not what this is about.
I used to provide mid sized stock and texture photographs on this site as well as PS. patterns and seamless tiles. I still do in a more limited way but the limitation isn't too bad if people are honest and have a basic understanding of what crediting means because I do want credit as I know many resource providers do. It's only fair to expect acknowledgment- if a person doesn't have the digital media they want or need- a particularly nice photo for a background, a paintable texture, a nice assortment of fancy brushes, gradients, fonts etc.- and has to acquire them from people who create these things then how difficult is it to say "Credit for (insert name of contributing resource) goes to (insert name of resource provider)?"
I'm sure that most people would do this thing that I ask but here is the reality about 'normal, honest, people' who are looking for resources on the net:
They are browsers. They cruise sites geared towards artists and designers, they wade through archives of fonts and clip arts, they download whatever catches their eye and carry on in this way till it's time to stop and do something else- like eat, play a game, or actually create their art/designs. They don't worry too much about terms of use, or End User License Agreements- it just doesn't occur to many of them and for the ones that do very often they will come across badly written or out of date ones e.u.l.a.'s or non-existent ones. Many times they acquire huge collections of resources that require filing and will inadvertently (or deliberately) overwrite or delete any identifying information that the files contained.
I used to be one of those people and to some degree still am. It's just part of the process of looking for resources. I have put together a better filing system than I used to have and have ditched most of the stuff that can't be identified at all and it's because I want to be professional about it. If I find a great resource that I absolutely know I'm going to use in the future I HAVE to be able to identify the provider. Not everyone is going to join DA (or name your favorite art site) just to post a comment or send a note to that effect and not everyone is going to pursue their artistic goals from a professional point of view but at the very least they should find out the name of the person who created the file they hope to use- but none of this matters to the people who don't care one bit about whats right and whats wrong and just collect resources to use in whatever way they see fit which includes hosting them off site to entice people to visit their page and click on ads.
The problems starting to arise from downsizing recourse resolutions can be summarized in these general requests for high res. resources I have been receiving and I will give my answers as best as best I can for the present time - and please bear in mind that nothing is written in stone:
1. "Can I use this (high res.resource) for a future project?"
Most likely "YES" with limits.
I will first go and check out your page to see if you have a proper contact e-mail/name and the kind of work you do and see if you know how to credit properly.
If I already know you I most likely will send you that (1) particular file as mid or high res. and await the results before sending you another. If I don't know you but see you appear to be a sincere artist and/or trying to sell work and follow the rules I will probably ask you for contact info if it's not present and include an e.u.l.a. for a mid size picture (I keep track of this information anyway) and will tell you what a high res. one would cost you.
(This attitude seems to root out certain kinds of people that I would rather not put my faith in.)
2. "Can I use this (high res.resource) for my desktop or personal (real world) project?"
hmmm.."MAYBE"
I will first go and check out your page to see if you have a proper contact e-mail/name and the kind of work you do and see if you know how to credit properly.
The answer most likely will be along the lines of: "You can use the resource as it currently stands in personal (real world) projects that don't entail profit without giving me credit but otherwise, NO, I will not send you a higher res. file for such projects".
Why not? I really don't expect anyone to scan a card they made for their mom and post it on this site, school newspaper editorials, or any number of real world projects that don't demand recognition of the resource.
On the other hand, while I'm fully entitled to receiving a credit for commercial projects or anything that gets posted on the internet I only have so much actual power (and desire) to enforce my rights. Tied very closely into that idea is the fact that in order to decide on the merits of pursuing a particular case of e.u.l.a. violations I have to KNOW about the violation in the first place. So, knowing that I can't KNOW about any and all possible uses of my resources in the real world or the digital world I am not likely to open my stuff up to still more potential violations (usually thefts) than I have to.
To summarize these points: Anyone who sends out high res.files is basically kissing them goodbye- I'm knowingly doing it every time I say "YES".
3. "Can you send me this (high res.resource)?"
Probably "NO"
l first go and check out your page to see if you have a proper contact e-mail/name and the kind of work you do and see if you know how to credit properly.
The answer will likely be "NO" since you don't tell me what it's for in the note/comment. Just recently I got a request like that and the person's gallery was full of apparently paid-for commissions for illustration work. Not one of the pictures had a crediting of the resources used but the whole thing looked like an online portfolio.
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Life would be a whole lot easier if the people that make these requests could provide some pertinent information in the initial inquiry in the first place- such as in the old days when we wrote letters that had to have an address, proper salutation, and a signed and printed name on the bottom as well as the reasons for writing in the first place. I realize that on the internet things are different and you have to be very careful in who to place your trust in - and if in thinking about that you get a slightly cold shudder then know that thats how I feel as well every time I get a request from a total stranger who wants to use one of my creations. I would love to empower all the amateur artists and designers out there but I won't do it if I get the feeling that I'm going to regret it so on a final note I will just say this:
if you just want to make art for fun then use the resources and don't forget to credit but don't bother asking for high res. files unless you are prepared to answer some personal questions. Same goes for making a buck off of using mid sized res. files- providers want to know about you and how you intend to profit even if they don't charge money for their resources.
And high res files: we are for the most part strangers- and if that's the way you want it to stay then don't even bother going there.
Devious Comments
As I regularly download your resources, as the resources of some other folks here at dA, I go out of my way to fix the file name of the resource to include the name of the creator as well. This makes it much easier to just add the credit where it's due in my artist comments.
You put your name right in the filename. I wish more resource makers would do that. It makes things so much more streamlined, in my opinion.
I really appreciate the resources available here on dA -- kudos and
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To me, that's just common sense. These people are gracious enough to create items for us to use. The least we can do is credit them and clear the usage with them.
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Cheers,
-Sino.
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I go out of my way as well to rename files as well- but I never used to when I first started on the internet so I can understand where some people are coming from. You almost have to put your name into the files in some way- either by title or through iptc. fields- I just wish more people knew about it and that I had known sooner!
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"I'd like to find your inner child and kick its little ass"- 'Get Over It' - Eagles
But common sense isn't all that common anymore I guess. And some people are just lazy too.
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There are some strings attached: [link]
"I'd like to find your inner child and kick its little ass"- 'Get Over It' - Eagles
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There are some strings attached: [link]
"I'd like to find your inner child and kick its little ass"- 'Get Over It' - Eagles
Granted, I understand the necessity, and I applaud your activism on the topic...It's simply the degree of that necessity that I find saddening.
This is also a topic I am personally passionate about as it tends to make the artistic community as a whole look bad.
That said, I also understand that those just starting out rarely know about EULA's or their implications, so information of this sort is quite valuable...Providing they bother to read it, that is.
Fellow artists, please understand what you are doing when you utilize a resource to which you have not in fact purchased license to... (Yes, long read ahead. Do it anyway.)
The reality is simple. If you, as an artist intend to (At ANY point in time) make a profit off of your work, and that work contains the resources of another...Then you are in fact bound by a legal agreement.
Oh yes... you are.
You see, it goes like this...
By simply downloading said resources, you ARE in fact agreeing implicitly to be bound by whatever terms the provider of that resource sets down.
Even if you are underage, your parents then take on the legal responsibility for your actions which means they will also be the ones to foot the financial bill for said actions, should you find yourselves at the business end of a lawsuit.
While it may seem appealing at first to disregard said terms by virtue of 'internet anonymity' you need to be aware of the fact that you will, at some point, be questioned as to method of creation and if you are in fact incapable of providing a document that proves either sole creation ( via .psd, layered file showing ownership of the creation process from beginning to end **sequential saves of said file**) or documentation of a fully licensed (or unrestricted ) resource, then you will in fact be putting your employer or prospective employer or client at risk legally.
I'm fairly certain that should that happen, said employer or client will not be inclined to seek your services in the future.
Many people do this very thing under the misconception that 'The provider will never find out...And if they do, it's not as though they can do anything about it'... I urge you all to reconsider this mindset as not only is it dangerous to you professionally, it is also completely incorrect.
In a great many cases, the providers DO in fact become aware of breeches in license ( the world isn't nearly as large as it once was) and they do in fact have legal recourse in such instances, regardless of the country of origin the violator of said license might be living in ( with -very- few exceptions.)
International copyright is a topic many many countries are confronted with on a daily basis, and one they are starting to take very very seriously. The possible repercussions of your actions, should legal confrontation take place, will make you long for an opportunity to go back in time and do things properly from the beginning.
Crediting and proper use of resources is truly in everyone's best interest. Including your own.
Yes, I am aware that it can be inconvenient and even awkward at times. It can even cost you money. Yet this is infinitely better than suddenly finding yourself unemployed, or unemployable due to the stigma of reputation brought about by incurring the legal ramifications of improper use or credit to your employers.
Its not something they appreciate.
So do yourselves and the rest of us a favor please. Utilize sound judgment when you choose a resource for your next project and follow the EULA set down by the providers, be said resource purchased or downloaded for 'free'.
If you have trouble remembering where you got something, then create a filing system to replace the dependency on memory and create site specific folders on your system with sub-folders of user/provider specific data (with their resource specific EULA's included when needed.)
This is not only the professional way to deal with resource management, it is also the ethical way to conduct yourself as a professional or aspiring artist.
/End Rant.
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Just because perfection is impossible, doesnt mean I've given up attempting to achieve it.
And ruining professional reputations as well.
The world truly is getting smaller and people in the same line of work tend to watch out for each other- when we see work we recognize on a site that appears to be ripping off the creator of a particular piece of stock (or art/photography) we will contact the artist or at the least report the theft in a forum.
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There are some strings attached: [link]
"I'd like to find your inner child and kick its little ass"- 'Get Over It' - Eagles
I'm sure that it can be wholly possible to do the using without credit to the original creator due to
the effects of dubious users...
copyrighted images without the important info like who actually made it first on then getting posted all over the shop.
However, a bit of digging and understanding the true meaning of cause and effect can work wonders....
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If we do not question what's acceptable - we loose our right to protest when the accepted becomes questionable.
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