This is a project that I've started of my own volition, and I intend to follow this article up with some showcasing in the near future.
The reason?
I am saddened on two counts at what I've observed with regards the Ultra Fractal community as a whole, and also at what seems to prevail as favourite throughout dA over and above the use of this wonderful UF program.. Apophysis.
Firstly, I have nothing against Apophysis per se. But I do have issues with the repetitive nature of the inevitable outcome of various scripts being shared, let alone the fact that anyone beginning this program will inevitably go through similar processes which are both predictable and often extremely boring to have to look at. (Not that the latter isn't the case with UF of course, yet there are huge differences in what we get to see - and believe me, I recognise the fractal work of a beginner in UF when I see one).
The Ultra-Fractal membership has been revised to reflect those who, despite being continued watchers, are currently active in retaining their membership. The numbers have shrunk and some well-established Ultra Fractal artists have not renewed this membership.
I've belonged to this group since I started being an active subscriber here (just about a year ago, although I was an inactive member for a year before that). Back then, it seemed to be very highly active, with lots of discussion and feedback - high-profile, let's say! There were dreadful contentions too, culminating in a very sad time mid-2007, when I believe that many stood back to take stock. Some are obviously still doing so, and some others may never return to grace its membership once more. However, there have been many new members from newer people to dA, and its always refreshing to see "new blood" coming in.
So what happened to Ultra Fractal as an art-form?
I see time and again that Apophysis users apparently get the preference over UF, both in submissions to the galleries of various clubs, and also in overall choice for winners of contests. This is discouraging for any Ultra Fractal artist!
Apophysis seems, by nature of the free sharing of scripts and so on, to have a highly interactive fractal community - this is good! There is also lots of room for innovation in the use of this program in the sense that Apophysis flames quite often lend themselves very well to being blended with other art-forms to produce a Mixed Media outcome. There's nothing wrong with that either. Also, the latest 3D hacks have become amazing and totally intriguing in some of their outcomes, and take on a whole new perspective to previous versions of Apophysis. If you want to see an alien looking aquarial effect, complete with spotlighting through a portal, take a look at some of the latest 3D Apophysis productions on show!
Purism -v- Freedom to Innovate?
In any fractal community there are the "Purists" as opposed to the "innovators" (don't shoot me please!!!) and this leads to heated debate to the point of hatred amongst some members of either community, but unfortunately I have seen this happen mostly in the Ultra Fractal community. This issue (surely it should never be??) has divided that community rather than united it, the one faction having no tolerance for the other.
For me, purism doesn't come into it. Its a personal challenge to me to be able to complete every aspect of what I want to achieve within the Ultra Fractal program - simply because all the facilities are there, and all I need is to develop my skills and knowledge in order to achieve this seemingly "pure" result (lonnnnggg way to go!). People who know me also know that I use UF sometimes in Mixed Media artwork.
Is A Fractal actually ART?
Another argument that I still retain my view on is that because a fractal is by nature produced with the means of a program run on maths (no matter which fractal program this is), this does
not negate the artistry involved in the outcome of a picture. It is definitely
art! Its abstract or surrealistic, and just another way to produce our favourite form of..
art. It can evoke emotion, wonderment, fascination... Sometimes there are messages that one can read in this art-form that take on new meaning in one's own life...
The fact that there is a mathematical formula behind the image is for me as an artist, totally incidental. I get migraine if I try doing anything mathematical! I never took my GCE 'O' level Maths because it was meaningless to me. I leave that side of it to someone else - the creator of the fractal program. But digitally speaking, all art we see here on screen has something to do with IOIOIOIO in its various combinations - or so I'm led to believe!
One might also just as well ask whether technical drawing is art. Its calculated at every level, measured, geometrically produced.
That's not how I personally do my fractal art - I produce a composition with the facilities that are there, by manipulating things around on the screen, sometimes needing to change some values - but only when I see in the preview what I want to achieve - and I have enormous fun masking and making up different individual objects that I can then use in other images too. The colours are something I always work out bit by bit, never going for any presets, as they rarely please me.
So where is the doubt that this is a true
artform?
© © COPYRIGHT © ©
Yes, I believe fractal art of origin definitely is! As to the logistics of registering a fractal artwork as personal copyright, I have no clue because I've never tried going through that process with any art-form in any case! It doesn't mean quite that much to me, although if I sell something I'm naturally pleased. The likelihood of someone else coming up with the same outcome as myself lies only in my sharing my secret formula (the numbers/codes behind the image) with someone else! If I do, I take a risk, just the same as I do if I upload an image I've personally drawn here without a copyright notice slapped all over it as a deterrent.
The fact that within the program itself lies the ability that is specified to be for the user's copyright alone, is sufficient for me to know that whatever I produce out of a fractal is my own copyright. Beyond that, I choose not to involve myself in contention on this issue, other than to agree with the majority of artists that anyone knowingly thieving art of
any form and claiming it as his own needs a personal counsellor or even a psychiatrist to enable him to understand his own obvious inadequacies to produce something original for himself!
Are YOU Interested in being part of the *Ultra-Fractal Community?
Take a look there! There's currently a challenge - not a contest - going on
The Beginning... The End
This is for all levels of Ultra Fractal Artists, as you will see on the page. Why not assume yourself to be better than you think and discover that you actually are? Don't take on that banner of false humility and place yourself in a lower category knowing you should win it!
I long to see lively discussion back in the UF department - not back-biting and bickering, but friendly, helpful discussion intended to help further this particularly beautiful art-form.
FOLLOWING ON FROM HERE
My intention will be to showcase two works of art produced by every confirmed member of the *
Ultra-Fractal community as it stands right now (anyone joining after reading this will need to let
ME in order to have their images included. Please note me at my own account, as I'm not a member of the Ultra-Fractal Team - just an eager UF-loving fractal artist!
Thank you for your patience in reading this! And please note that I ask for
no contention in the comments below! I am only asking for people to consider whether or not they would like to move on forward in this New Year, leaving all that was in 2007 behind them, and starting afresh - or even for the first time.
Should you wish to give this the

however, please have the courage to NOTE me with your reasons, ok? Thanks
Devious Comments
Right now the group is mostly used for gallery submissions,and a rare comment or question in the forum. But lets ask why. There are new fractal groups popping up all over DA. There are fractal groups at other sites. There is a mailing list. And most of the contributors to the UF group are adults with families,jobs,and other obligations. For myself, my health has been a major contributor to my lack of regular participation.
What do you suggest can be done to build the community back to its former glory?
BTW, I totally agree with you as far as Apophysis goes. I've used it myself, and I'm impressed by many of the images being posted by real masters at Apo. But I'm equally discouraged by the lack of originality...or is it just my inability to distinguish one Grand Julian from another? I won't even mention the badly done, blurry random scrawls that so frequently appear in the fractal galleries. One might say that about our UF spirals as well,but I still feel there is something unique and interesting in most of them. Yes, I can also pick out the newbie UF spirals, having done a number of them myself, but a well done spiral from a beginner often shows the promise of an emerging "real" fractal artist.
So I applaud your effort to gather renewed interest in the UF group. What can be done to encourage others to participate in a more meaningful way? We tried for many months to organize things in the chat room, to have critique night, tweak night, question night. I looked forward to them, since I always learned something new with every chat. However, without regular participation, people become weary of seeing the same names, and the remaining regulars formed a different kind of relationship with each other that expanded into other areas. For that I am mostly to blame,but only for the fact that many people stopped coming back to the room. However I made some truly good friends that broke past the chat room confines, and for that it was certainly worth my time.
Ok,rambling over...just know I encourage any efforts people want to put into saving the group.
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ok, so i'm not a fractal artist (not sure if i have room on my hdd to add another app) but i've seen enough beautiful fractal art (notice emphasis?
i understand your dissapointment with the schism between purists and adventurers; there is a similar rift in the 3d world where some folks believe if you didn't model everything from scratch it isn't "3D" and the other side believing if the focus isn't on composition, lighting, and evoking an impression or emotion it isn't art.
to quote a famous movie line, "Why can't we all just get along?"
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You ask why there are more fractalists using Apo than UF ... well Apo is free and UF is not .. that should mean a great deal already there
Secondly Apo is maybe easier for the newbie fractalist than UF is.
I have a program called Chaos Pro .. it uses the formulas of UF .. and should be very similiar .. I have personally never found out how layers work in Chaos - unfortunately
Still it is not UF I am using .. so that is my reason for never joining that community ...
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I agree with most of your observations about Apophysis. I think its popularity and dominance is largely due to the fact that the program is free to use and that it has a more active/sharing/tutoring community than UF does. I don't know the actual numbers involved but it certainly feels like there may be many hundreds of Apo artists out there, compared to just a few dozen UF users. A happy community affair for them, undoubtedly, but I suspect it is not possible to share things in quite the same way among UF users so it seems unlikely we will ever get the same sort of buzz going among UF group members.
I am still a fairly active member of *Ultra-Fractal (though I don't 'do' chat rooms, I just submit art and participate in challenges etc.) - I hope that by doing so it will help inspire others to join and/or remain active participants too. I haven't been around long enough to know what the group was like a year or two ago so I don't feel qualified to comment on how things have changed and I don't really know what can be done to stimulate more interest in the group.
The question of submitting works to other groups is an interesting one... until recently I thought it might be a bit repetitive for people to see the same images in the galleries of more than one group so I have tended to submit mainly to Ultra-Fractal but with the odd image going to other group/s when I remembered to do so. I will admit that some groups are more Apophysis orientated than others and that this has definitely made me feel more of an 'outsider' and therefore a bit shy to submit UF pieces but I did stick my neck out a few times with contest entries in recent months and have had some success there... so I am trying to do my bit to redress the balance wherever possible and feebly wave my little UF flag where it might get noticed above all the Apo chatter, hehe!
I do so sympathise with your math-challenged stance - I am by no means stupid, I have a university education, the fact is simply that, like you, my strengths lie in other areas. As far as I'm concerned I know practically nothing about formulas and all the calculations going on 'under the hood' of UF... but quite frankly it doesn't matter a jot that I don't! Does that make me less of a fractal artist? I don't think so! I feel the same way about programs like Photoshop - these tools allow me to manipulate images and so on but nobody expects me/us to understand the nuts and bolts of the programming language on which they are based or how the algorithms used to compress something into a .jpg work in detail, for example, that would be absurd! The beauty of UF is that it makes the creation of fractal art accessible to everyone now, without requiring them to have a masters degree in Mathematics or Computer Science.
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Thanks for the article. I'm mainly generating works now in UF, and anything UF you want to link to or reference is fine!
Although a relative newbie here myself, I cut my teeth on Fractint more than 10 years ago and was rendering fractals on the Commodore Amiga long before that.
You are right about too many APO images looking the same- this has actually diminished my interest in it- because I like images that are unique and not simply different coloring methods of the same shape ( I won't link to any of my own, so that I don't offend others, but I am guilty too in my early days of APO of generating many images I've seen cloned in slightly different views or color schemes).
I have found various places to learn and share, and would not mind more. We all probably want to keep a few tricks up our sleeve, but its hard to learn unless:
a: lots of trial and error (huge time investment) or
b: willing to share some shortcuts/tutorials and get something back in return.
Thanks again!
Paul
Me:
85-90% UF
10-15% Apo
and .....
A little bit country but a lot of Rock and Roll <G>
Chat room for me is one thing I personally cannot do. I'm not able to interact at that kind of speed and with more than one person at a time, and I avoid all chat rooms like the plague. This is something that gives me very quick sensory overload (a health issue). Its also a real drawback, and I'm painfully aware of having missed out on an awful lot because of it - but nowt I can do about it.
Actually I have little to offer in the way of suggestions, other than to gently bring attention to the existence of this group, which I've witnessed to be on a possible dying trail and which I would love to see redeemed if its possible, but more than anything I wish that people who enjoyed playing with UF in the past would carry on playing with UF, rather than give into the overwhelming pressure that comes from all the extra "hits" that apparently come when an Apo image is uploaded (not that I have personally experienced this, but others have!). If some of those people were to join the UF group as well, that'd be fantastic - but I so miss some of those who have moved away from it, because some of their fractal artwork was and still is, exemplary. Many of these have been pioneers for dA in the whole field of UF!
I think the other groups that have sprung up all over the place have been largely in an attempt to be all-embracing, (Fractal Dreams, IFDDs et al for example), but have inevitably bowed to the pressure of the Apo-ists and hence, biassed. Maybe a few were also an attempt to break away from the original UF group at the time of The Furore! I'm only surmising this to be the case.
Come what may, I would like to support the group as much as possible. There were mistakes made in the past - it happens. But maybe there are lessons to be learned from those so that the same insensitivities don't recur.
Don't blame yourself for anything that may have resulted because other people drifted away; you will have done your best for sure, and its very true that when just the same few people turn up in a room over a period of time, friendships become more than just to do with the subject at hand. They deepen, whilst a few just go their own way.
I wish I were the charismatic genius who actually could redeem this group! Unfortunately not! But my support is there.
Btw you may wonder why I wasn't active in it in the past; well, I will admit to having felt that those already in the group all knew one another very well, and that there was little room for speculative newbies. Don't ask me why I thought that, but I wonder if that was a common experience? I entered a contest and knew I wouldn't get a placement, but this is an experience common to me anyway, so no surprises there. In fact I don't "do" contests! (The other interesting thing is that I seem to always vote for the least popular images when we are asked to vote at the end of contests - which must say something about my personal artistic tastes! lol!)
Anything I can do, I will, given time and health circumstances.
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Thank you for your response and as you say "Why can't we all just get along?" - Unfortunately its human nature that gets in the way most of the time!
Thank you for emphasising art! Not all of it is of course - its more than just producing a pattern hey!
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Somewhere (maybe its in my journal) I did make the observation about Apo being free etc., and of course that's a huge incentive. But I've often seen UF artists turn to Apo, and understand from at least one person, that this has been because of the pressure felt from the fact that Apo seems to attract more "hits". So instead of persevering with a program paid for, it seems such a shame to give in to that pressure when perhaps we need to keep up the pressure so that UF is in the same highlight somehow - at least that's how I feel.
Its quite understandable that you wouldn't join a UF group if you're not using UF, lol! I'd just like to see more people who are using UF join a ready-made UF group, and to see far more in the way of the sort of fractals you, and UF people are able to provide.
Thank you so much for responding
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But.. There have been many, many UF artists, who have become less active, or have not renewed their membership with UF, or who have even felt pressurised by lack of "hits" to their UF pieces to take up Apo instead. I think that's such a crying shame. Personally I feel I've succeeded quite well with my "hits" to my UF pieces and so I'm not complaining about that at all, although the one time I entered a contest, I did feel ousted by more than mere anti-voting! I now have a better concept of why that might have happened, but it didn't do anything to encourage new people to continue to submit contest pieces.
My intention is to have a go at this latest challenge just for the fun of it - and it isn't a contest in any case. I hope I'll continue to learn new things as a result. Having said that, this does depend on health issues et al ad nauseum!
We sound to be very similar in our strengths and weaknesses academically! Maths matters not a jot to me either when it comes to creating a fractal - as explained above - and it sounds as though you work much the same way! lol! For me the fact that there's a maths formula lying hidden behind the image is purely incidental - and for that I'm very grateful, as it even says who hold the copyright!
Thanks so much for your comment, I appreciate it.
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