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A Small Critique of Modern Visionary Art

*visionaryartists:iconvisionaryartists: reports, April 5, 2008
by Matthias Staber / mathismondhut :iconmathismondhut:
Published in communion with the visionaryartists group :iconvisionaryartists:

Joy impregnates, sorrow brings forth -William Blake

I love what I do; this is natural. My whole being is sucked into this “visionary” direction, so it is hard to really be skeptical about it. But skepticism is necessary, because glorifying this art form is not beneficial for the movement. I will write as if I truly knew something about what I write, but that is not necessarily a fact; it is just my own skepticism, my own little skeptic hiding inside the vastness of what I really am, and he wants to visit the playground.

Thinking about visionary art is a hard job because thinking can only move within its own limitations, similarly to the voices of our teachers. An entheogen or guru will speak its own language. A spiritual master or teacher will not sell your artwork, and a curator will not help you to develop “mindfulness." So I will simply ignore the limitations of language and write what I feel is worth being written.

For me, this art movement is like some sort of sect or cult. It is therefore doubly dangerous, yet at the same time it can be very uplifting and healthy. If we know the limitations of the movement we can make the best out of it.

One great paradox is that those who claim to be visionaries try to "capture" the immortal, perennial truth - the Platonic ideals. We try to capture them within the limitations of mortality, and try to evoke oneness within duality. But the sages said, “There is only one." Isn’t it a paradox to try to evoke the one where there is only one? It is like saying: “Look at this citron. What a citron it is!" Is it really necessary to tell the world that this citron is really a citron?

Sometimes I am very glad that I present the immortal with my work, or that my work resonates on a very high level. But how is this possible? How can I (a mere mortal) create an art that points to the immortal?

Some sages once said:

"Nothing the self does in the limitations of space and time will bring salvation from space and time."

"If the (mortal) self tries to evoke the immortal, isn’t it fooling with itself?"

The idea of changing the mortal world with an immortal, transcendental art, or an art that claims to be transcendental, should be observed with a very skeptical eye, as the wish for change always stems from the mortal self. As the mortal self wants to heal a mortal world, and says at the same time, "I represent the immortal" - well, think about it.

Some pointers from Wei Wu Wei:

"Arguing about transcending the I-concept, 'reducing' the ';power' of the ego or whatever, is merely evidence of continued belief in the reality of that which, being a concept, is totally unreal.

"It's like a man saying, 'I am perfectly sane: I know that I am not a poached egg, indeed I am busily engaged in unpoaching myself and soon I will not even need a piece of toast in order to sit down.'"

--Wei Wu Wei, "Why Lazarus Laughed" p.18

God is already here, right now, present in every action and reaction. So an art that says, "We represent the immortal truth and wisdom of God" is a very dangerous art form. I ask you to keep that in mind, as every art or philosophy tends towards a dictatorship. Even the integral-philosophy movement is limited by integration, and when an art or philosophy says, "I point to God," or "Spirit," it also says between the lines, "You don’t."

I know that we never leave this cage, because we are humans, and our nice and cozy visionary transcendentalism tends to be something that is glorifying itself. This is a funny thing, that our art glorifies itself, and that the outer world doesn’t give a shit about it.

So, visionary art that "tries" to evoke the godhead is limited by its very aim to evoke the godhead. Here is the paradox: the claim that god is ever-present, yet there is this “visionary” art that claims to solely represent god. You see the paradox? How can something that is mortal say: "I’m immortal"? When everything points to god, how can one thing exist that points to god in a more direct way?

Is this goal or aim of our art not very arrogant, ego-centered, and a massive illusion?

I hope we will have a good discussion…

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:iconracingzeno:
This resonates on a very high level.

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:iconmathismondhut:
I nearly vaporized...man you write some dangerous comments :)

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Nice article, and interesting thought of what visionary art tries to accomplish: ‘ “capture” the immortal, perennial truth – the Platonic ideals.” From what I have read, there are multiple theories of what the goals of visionary art are.

From L. Caruana’s “Manifesto of Visionary Art,” ([link]) Caruana says “the images, colours, reflections, modes of perceiving and indeed the insights which the artist himself has witnessed in a dream, vision, trance, revelation, mediumistic or drug-induced state are what he seeks to reproduce in a plastic medium, so as to give it a more or less permanent reality 'here', in the world of our shared perceptions and spoken dialogues.

In the same Manifesto, Ernst Fuchs is described as a practicing visionary and quoted: “I have always practiced a kind of art which depicts things that, otherwise, man only sees in his dreams or hallucinations. For me, the threshold has to be crossed from inner images to their expression in wakeful being - the transformation of dreams and fantasy into the world of reality and its plane of visual imagery.”
Caruana goes on later in the Manifesto to write of art that manifests an “epic” “timeless” and “universal” quality (which sounds similar to your view of visionary art’s goals), but is not explicit about how this kind of art relates to visionary art. It is implied that what is seen in the visionary state in fact has these qualities of the timeless and universal: “His vision gave him access to the same timeless world and way-of-seeing which the ancients had beheld…In the process of beholding the Sacred as a timeless and eternal Unity, the visionary artist frees himself momentarily from his inherited spiritual tradition, its particular symbols and style of expression. During that momentary epiphany, his vision partakes of the universal, sans cultural perspective: it acquires a stilled, more timeless, even eternal way of seeing.”

The paradox you describe is interesting. I’m not sure though it’s a problem for visionary art theory, at least according to the theory described by Caruana, and I’m not even sure if your (and others) theories are the same as those in Caruana’s manifesto. You write of “evoking” and “capturing” the immortal, and Caruana writes of the visionary state giving the artist “access to the same timeless world and way-of-seeing the ancients had beheld” and that the artist’s vision “ partakes of the universal.” Couldn’t this timeless world and the universal simply be due to something innate in the human brain that is independent of time and place? By this view, perhaps visionary art theory could be saved from the paradox you describe by simply saying that visionary states allow access to some innate features of humanity, independent of time and place. This seems amazing in itself.

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I think the discrepancy has to do with the source of our consciousness with which the artist is identified. In the article above, mathismondhut is speaking as the mortal, from within the bounds of time - "as the wish for change always stems from the mortal self." From his perspective, the paradox is the mortal trying to transcend mortality. But of course, as long as consciousness is identified with the mortal self, this endeavor is a kind of useless grasping.
Yet when consciousness awakens to its timeless source (through meditation, entheogens, creativity, or spontaneous luck, etc), "the Witness" or "emptiness," then it can see through the illusions of time and thus evoke the immortal. So the visionary artist, while he/she may not have consistent awareness of the Witness, can potentially awaken to it through the creative process, or "tap into it" or enter the "visionary state."
So when the artist is identified with the mortal self, the struggle to transcend it becomes an impossible paradox. A classic metaphor is like somewhat trying to pull himself off the ground by tugging at his feet. Yet if the artist can see through the illusion of mortality and awaken to the witness (and beyond), timelessness becomes his/her natural expression. Visionary art, I would say, is this expression through art.

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"The entire nexus of what art is trying to do is to provide a mirror for the Eternal Self." - Alex Grey
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turance's comment seems to give a solution to the paradox described in the article. Although the visionary artist is mortal, the immortal can be tapped into while the artist is in visionary states. Thus there is no paradox of the moral trying to transcend mortality, because the visionary artist briefly becomes part of the immortal while in the visionary state, then becomes mortal again when out of the visionary state. Correct me if this is not an accurate interpretation of turance's comment.

A related issue visionary art theory faces is that of dualism, the view that both physical and non-physical entities exist. mathismondhut's article seems to be a dualist interpretation of the theory, as it refers to the "godhead", "God" and "spirit". It is not explicitly stated though that these terms are meant to refer to non-physical sources.

The most direct statement I have found regarding the issue of whether visionary art theory is dualist is from Alex Grey's essay "What is Visionary Art" ([link]):
"The artwork becomes a way for viewers to access or worship the associated transcendental domain. In sacred art, from calligraphy to icons, the work itself is a medium: a point of contact between the spiritual and material realms."
This sentence seems to be a clear statement that there is a realm that is not material. However I don't know how many artists who consider themselves practitioners of visionary art would agree with this statement.

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its not so much about the visionary but the visionary task...what the artforms wants to be or repressent, and that this terrain it moves on is a very dangerous one..

it is not an easy way and we will face alot of attacks from the public in future times...when we have this aims....like repressenting the immortal, the eternal or "giving access to transcendental realms". Do you think that the artworld will just nod yes to such very arrogant, spaced and tripped out aims?

DeEs said we are the first international group....because we all know each other more or less, from internet or real life...the surrealists had bases in europe with the headquarter in paris....but visioanry//integral art (I like integral art much more, because evisionary is way too supreme) has its members all over the globe, and jet we know each other and have a strong bond (soul-family) all workers in this domain I ever met...you know there was something familiar in their eyes.... and remember how much trouble the surrealists faced, Iam just curios about how this artform will move on and what will happen when it really contacts with the "outer"-world, the hard ground of postmodern reality...ave maria

and of course the artists of this direction are all abit "strange" and supernatural in words and behaviour, there is someting about us the "ordinary" world does not get right, does not understand and because of this fact we will face alot of critique from it....

I just think about alex greys worldspirit....man its a dvd and performance (and beyond performance) that really is wonderfull, inspiring but how this new yorker artist stands their and reading his words in his satin white guru-dress, thats abit over the edge for me...

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Maybe part of what is "dangerous" about visionary art is its exposition of information gained from altered states. The visionary artist, I would claim, is humbled at the vast spectrum of reality, because he/she sees the "reality" or the "substance" that comes from other states of consciousness. This substance can be healing, or warning, or disorienting, etc, in other words, have a tangible impact.

And as is clear, mass culture & society is terrified of altered states (except the drunk state). Just about all mind expanding drugs are illegal, and our culture obviously isnt afraid of drugs; it's afraid of mind-expansion.

Visionary artists are especially, of all artists, attuned to altered states. The last edition of Grey's CoSM journal was dedicated to entheo-art, as was a recent edition of Caruana's Visionary Revue. I am not at all claiming that all or even most visionaries use drugs, but that visionaries tend to have uncanny access to altered states. This can be accessed through the creative process, meditation, drugs, or even just spontaneous luck.

So what is dangerous about the information gained through these states is vast, but I think it is in part because these states show the futility and the illusion of so much of the "game" we play that we call mass culture & society. So much of what is conventionally seen as the one and only reality is revealed by the visionary (among others) to be just a small fragment of the vast spectrum of reality. In this way, visionary art both humbles and empowers those who respond to it, a threat to the established order.

Because of this, visionary art will always be around (as it has since the Lascaux cave paintings), and will rarely be embraced by the establishments within the artist's lifetime.

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"The entire nexus of what art is trying to do is to provide a mirror for the Eternal Self." - Alex Grey
:iconmathismondhut:
yes that is true, but couldnt it be that we are not understood or seen or talked to, not just because we have access to altered states (I think your friends and family love your energy, do I guess right...) but also because we behave to much over the edge, some time, that the picture we cast into the society is to tripped out, to high and exclusiv, too good, too true, too beautiful?

our whole language (talking about visual language and words) is very odd, as it talks alot about things that you cannot hold or touch or even think about....

You know Iam just guessing why we have no foot in the door of modern art. Are we so counter cultural that we really exist within our own society, within our own galleries (gallery ten, Cosm), witin our own shows and groups...

is the public affraid of us or are we affraid of the "ordinary" game and public?

we are somewhere beyond, behind or before the artworld....but we didnt manage to become a part---not at all, accept some rockstars of visionary art like Fuchs,Grey and Giger (and Fuchs is the only one who got some sentences ina modern book about arthistory in the 21 century)

and I want to know why? And my point is that we are to elitarist, to spiritual, too new age and too spaced out

and as we start to build up some sort of integral art, we will also have to swallow this "ordinary" game into our art, I struggle alot to get in otuc with the rock.hard buttom of this world..to really start to interact with it, as human and artist...

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I doubt that we are "cast out" because we are too tripped out, too over the edge, or there is some problem with our personalities. Many of the most glorified artists within the general art institutions of the 20th century were wacky, over-the-edge, whimsical, far-out personalities. Think of Andy Warhol, or Jackson Pollock, or Salvador Dali. They were not straight-edge, clean cut, or predictable at all; I think they had very similar qualities that you attribute to the cast-out visionaries.

I disagree that so few visionaries beyond Fuchs are acknowledged institutionally. Salvador Dali is a household name, and some of his work is, I believe, paradigmatic of visionary art (for example, see "Lapiz-Lazuli Corpuscular Assumption" or "The Madonna of Port Lligat"). I would even argue that Picasso was a visionary - he was vehemently opposed to Positivistic movements that tried to reduce all consciousness to the physical world, upholding the depth and mystery of vast realms of consciousness through his art. He wrote: "There are so many realities that, in trying to encompass them all, one ends in darkness." Also, many (such as Alex Grey and Wilber) consider Frida Kahlo, also prolific in art-history books, to be a visionary. So there is at least some sense in which visionaries are not always obscure, and some rise to the forefront of art history.

Yet I do not doubt there is an important truth in what you are saying. Maybe you are speaking about a particular "kind" of visionary art? You seem to have a distinct kind of person in mind when you talk about the visionary. Maybe it is specifically the postmodern art world that is so lacking visionaries - the world of surface emphasis and struggling to find identity within cultures, etc...

I think that aiming to make our art endeavors integral - affirming not only our inner, personal experiences but also the realities of getting our work into galleries, influencing our culture, and finding ways to support ourselves with our art - is a good place to start at grounding ourselves and our art in an effective overall life practice.

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