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=Arlyn-Anari:iconArlyn-Anari: reports, April 26
It’s a typical Saturday morning. I’m flicking through the channels and all of a sudden this documentary comes on. I figure, what the hey, I’ll watch. Turns out it was about people keeping reptiles and amphibians in Norway, and how they’re persecuted by the law since it’s illegal to keep those kinds of animals as pets here.

Now, I knew that keeping reptiles and amphibians was illegal in Norway, but I’d never considered the repercussions of it. I hope to raise some awareness on the subject with this article, and that we’ll finally put an end to this needless law.



Reptiles and amphibians, or herptiles, have been kept as pets in Norway as far back as the 1960s. Back in 1977 the Norwegian government decided to make this illegal, stating the lack of knowledge and ability to make terrariums meeting the standard these animals required as their main reason. They claimed importing herptiles to Norway would be animal cruelty, as they wouldn’t be able to survive in our climate. This law is still here today, making it illegal to import, keep and sell these animals. The funny thing is, they only had a total ban on reptiles and amphibians, while other exotic animals such as guinea pigs, tropical birds and aquarium fish were barely touched. Today the government can no longer claim that these animals won’t be able to survive in Norway with the amount of technology and information that is out there, but they are still somewhat unwilling to change their stand.



However, this didn’t discourage the Norwegian people. Statistics show that more and more people acquire these lovely little critters, and they have a big following online where they share advice and experiences. One of the biggest online communities, Reptilfreaks.no has as many as 2500 members. Due to the illegality of keeping herptiles as pets it’s difficult to say how many of them there are, but considering the amount of equipment and food sold around the country it’s estimated to be at least 100 000 animals. Norway has had a ban on these animals for three decades, but they’re more widespread today than ever before. In our neighbouring countries and the rest of Europe no such ban exists. This also makes it easier to import the animals.



The results of all this is that people who keep these animals are forced to keep it a secret, even if the animal in question gets ill. They don’t dare go to the vet, even if there’s something seriously wrong. If they’re reported to the authorities they face a pretty hefty fine, or even jail if they have a lot of herptiles. One of the vets interviewed in the documentary said this lead to the animals only getting to the vet once they were much further along in the disease than most animals. This makes it more difficult to save them, if not impossible.

As it turns out, the ban on these animals isn’t helping at all. In fact, the ban only leads to the owners of pets such as these don’t have enough information about them. If they were legal they’d be more likely to approach a professional about it and ask for advice rather than trying to find out the information themselves, which might lead them to be misinformed and hurting the animal in the end. To be blunt, the ban makes animal cruelty more likely to happen.



If these animals were allowed as pets in this country, along with the rest of Europe, it would be much easier to control the welfare of the animals, to make sure they’re being treated right. They’d get better health care as the owner would no longer be afraid to take the animal to the vet. Thousands of people allergic to the ‘standard’ pets would be able to acquire a beloved pet legally.

So what happens to the pets that get ‘rescued’ by the authorities? Well, only a few of them find their way to a zoo willing to take them on. There aren’t many zoos here in Norway, and even fewer of them take on herptiles. But what about the rest? They get humanly euthanized. Wouldn’t you rather have a happy and healthy pet that’s alive than one that has absolutely no chance of surviving? I understand why the zoos can’t keep every herptile the authorities come across, but putting them to sleep? How is that not animal cruelty? In most cases the animal in question isn’t ill, so there’s no reason to put them down other than the fact that you’re not allowed to keep them as a pet.



Now, it is not my opinion that we capture wild animals and put them in a cage just to have an exotic pet. The fact is that herptiles breed in captivity, and these animals should be allowed to have a home, someone who cares for them and keeps them healthy, as all animals do. In fact, animals born in captivity would never thrive in the wild as they've never had to learn to catch food on their own. I also agree that dangerous animals such as crocodiles and poisonous snakes shouldn’t be allowed in Norway.

Some herptiles are dangerous but quite a few aren’t, and the Herptile Association of Norway has put together a list of thirty species they think should be allowed to be kept as pets. The animals in question have to meet certain requirements to be put on the list. They have to tolerate being handled by humans without getting too agitated, easy to satisfy their bodily needs as far as climate, light and temperature goes and easy to find food for them. They can’t be too big and has to have been bred in captivity for generations. They can’t be an endangered species or a danger to humans, and lastly, they can’t survive in Norwegian nature. The last requirement is because we don’t want them to breed in the wild and disturb the natural ecosystem in Norway. The list of animals they came up with is called the Positivity list. It’s unfortunately in Norwegian, but you can find the species in question if you scroll down a few pages.



This fall the law banning these animals will in all likelihood be up for revisement in the Norwegian government. The species listed in the Positivity list will hopefully be allowed to at least keep as pets. They’ve been planning to discuss this change in the law for years, but every time it’s been postponed. I say the time has come for change. Each year the animals are suffering because of this law, and if we change the law today they might get better living conditions. If you are Norwegian, please sign this petition. Hopefully it will make the politicians wake up and realise that the herptile community and the animals need this!

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=Arlyn-Anari:iconArlyn-Anari: Apr 26, 2008, 4:19:25 PM
Sorry about the links being messed up :blush: Will post them here.

Positivity list: [link]
Petition: [link]

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=frictiondesign:iconfrictiondesign: Apr 27, 2008, 9:36:10 AM
As I'm sure you know, the import of exotic animals into areas where they are not indigenous causes a host of problems. Not only are the animals apt to become ill or die due to the environment, but it fuels the animal trade industry. If consumers in your country stopped buying these animals, they would not need to be cruelly taken out of the wild and shipped to supply the demand. I wonder how many of these animals die in transit before ever reaching Norway?

I realize, as you said, that some of these animals breed in captivity, but I don't think you can have one without the other. If you make them legal as pets, people will try to import them.

I think Norway has the right idea in banning these animals, but maybe their methods are bad. Confiscating and euthanizing the ones that are found is certainly not a good policy. And you're right that it isn't fair to ban one type of exotic animals and not others.

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=A-WildDog:iconA-WildDog: Apr 27, 2008, 10:08:29 AM
Actually it being illegal is probably causing more of the owners to get the animals from unreliable sources - and sources that do take them from the wild to fuel the pet trade. If it was made legal, then domestic trade routes could be established and the whole trade better regulated in Norway.
I agree you can't have one without the other but consider that all the other animals at some point which we keep as pets we're taken from the wild also.
The argument that the animals will become ill and die because of the environment in Norway doesn't stand up, with today's technology it's possible to emulate the climate very well, the animals won't be running wild, they'll be in a controlled environment.

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=Arlyn-Anari:iconArlyn-Anari: Apr 27, 2008, 10:22:13 AM
I agree with you that animals should not be captured from the wild and then transported to a different climate. That would be animal cruelty. What I'm suggesting, which is also one of the requirements of the Positivity list, is that the animals allowed in Norway are known to be bred in Europe for generations, and in my opinion should only be bought from known breeders within Europe so there's less of a chance of them dying during transportation.

The fact that there is a ban today makes people go underground and buy from shady dealers, making it harder to get correct information ensuring the safety of the animal once they get them into their terrarium. Removing the ban would also make it easier to keep track of where people are buying from and making sure they meet the standard these animals need.

And I wasn't suggesting we set the animals free in Norwegian nature. The owners of these animals today have very functional terrariums that emulate the animal's natural climate as far as temperature, light and humidity goes. The fact that several owners in Norway have managed to breed their animals suggest that they're feeling safe and secure. If they didn't they'd never want to mate in the first place.

Phew! That got a lot longer than I was planning on!

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=frictiondesign:iconfrictiondesign: Apr 27, 2008, 5:54:39 PM
If you go away for the weekend and the power in your home goes out, you will come home to a dead pet in your terrarium. The "controlled environment" depends completely on the idea that you will always be available to monitor your pet and that nothing will ever occur to separate you from your pet. If a dog or a cat is left without an owner for a few days, you can reasonably expect it to survive (although probably be very hungry) and that it would stand a fair chance of survival if it were to escape your home. The same cannot be said for exotic animals.

But anyway, I'm a supporter of leaving all exotic species of animals and plants in their native regions. Things live where they live because it is the most beneficial place for them to be. I try not to disrupt the balance nature has created if I don't have to. Your mileage may vary.

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=frictiondesign:iconfrictiondesign: Apr 27, 2008, 6:04:38 PM
It sounds like you're putting a lot of faith in the idea that your government will do a good job of regulating these breeders. I can't speak for Norway, but in the US once these animals make it through the borders, there is very little done to track or regulate their trade. The same is true of the lack of regulations for breeders. There is really nothing to stop an uneducated person from setting up shop as a "breeder" of anything they want, which is why we have such a problem with things like puppy mills and unethical breeding of exotics. Our government simply doesn't have the money or manpower to monitor things like that. Perhaps Norway is different.

But as I already said to the poster above, I believe on leaving things where nature put them whenever possible. I'm not saying anyone is a bad person for wanting an exotic pet, but it's just not something that I personally believe in.

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=A-WildDog:iconA-WildDog: Apr 28, 2008, 6:56:29 AM
Every animal as a means to survival and in all honesty most pet owners don't leave their pets unattended for days anyway, they more likely get a friend, family member or neighbour to take care of them whilst they are away and leave clear instructions on how to take care of them.
Furthermore, the term "pet" means you are keeping that animal and every effort would be made for that animal not to escape, again this is where a problem occurs because people getting animals illegally, when they realise they are too big or in some way unable to look after them - they have no where to go - they can't go to the pet shop, a legal breeder, a zoo or anywhere like that... which may lead them to realising the animal into the wild.
Again I stress that it pushes the owners into using the black market which often get animals from the wild, not captivity and although I do agree with you that people shouldn't take animals from the wild, in supporting the ban you are simply helping fuel the demand on the black market. Where the animals will be kept in the worst possible conditions in most cases, arrive in bad shape and the owners cannot get any help for their pet from the vet.

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*Silvershark:iconSilvershark: Apr 28, 2008, 6:57:07 AM
But that could be used to argue against ALL pets because all animals are subject to bad breeders - and in fact it is breeders of dogs (particularly those commercially breeding "show" dogs) that are among the worst offenders not those that are breeding reptiles. For many reptiles, they do need to be kept in the right conditions before they will breed and this takes time and effort on behalf of the breeder to ensure that they are met. Dogs and cats also cause huge problems where they end up going stray. Even when they are kept as pets domestic cats will prey on wildlife and with their numbers at unnaturally high densities due to them not being regulated by food supply, this extra predation adds extra stress to species already suffering from habitat loss and decreasing food supplies.

As to the animals being left alone...most of the common reptiles in captivity can cope with a brief cold spell but in my opinion NO animal should be left completely alone over a weekend. The owner should be responsible and make sure that there will be someone there to check up on the animals at least once a day to ensure they have enough food and water. If they don't have someone that can do that then they should be responsible pet owners and not go.
~escalyx:iconescalyx: May 4, 2008, 4:53:23 PM
I think that Norway has every right to put that ban on, there are many people who abuse and neglect their animals and it's frankly better safe than sorry. If some people truly think that they are capable of taking care of an animal then I think that they should ask for a special license or permit after proving that they are truly capable.

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