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An Observation of deviantART

*ProjectComment:iconProjectComment: reports, 1d 17h ago
Discussing page views, activity and popularity, ~ChaoticSkye explores the inner workings of the community on deviantART from her point of view.

Although this does not apply to everyone, we hope the article is a worthwhile read and that the majority perceive things from a different point of view from reading this.

Daily deviations explicadas por expertas!

=noticias:iconnoticias: reports, November 26
Estas tres chicas son expertas en el tema de sugerir Daily Deviations, ellas 3 suman cientos de DDs aceptas y publicadas en deviantART.

Entiende de una vez por todas el tema de las Daily Deviations…

How to?

=morbidthegrim:iconmorbidthegrim: reports, November 27
!
55 comments   Editorials  Last +fav: ~Luiza82

A Guide For Help To Become Good - And Respected

*llama-doll:iconllama-doll: reports, November 25
A guide for help to become good - and respected.

llama doll

Art Thieves- Learn to spot them!

~Azureluck:iconAzureluck: reports, November 25
Feeling suspicious about an art that appears to be stolen? Here are some things that make art theft easier to spot.

Establishing a Process for Better Art

`Rahll:iconRahll: reports, November 23
In this article I'll talk about establishing a process of working on art that will help you turn out much better work without as much struggling or confusion.
67 comments   Editorials  Last +fav: ~Djohaal

¿Porqué desaparece una Daily Deviation?

=noticias:iconnoticias: reports, November 23
¿Porqué desaparece una Daily Deviation?

Suicide Survivors Day - 22nd November

~shadowlight-oak:iconshadowlight-oak: reports, November 21
For every person who dies from suicide 20 more attempt but survive
5 comments   Editorials  Last +fav: ~kaygurl

Project Comment: Around dA Issue 5

*ProjectComment:iconProjectComment: reports, November 22
Project Comment is all about the community, so instead of just sticking to one thing and effectively closing all our walls and doors, we’re issuing a weekly Around dA, Project Comment style.

This news article includes things you can take part of (Groups, Features, Projects and More!), FAQs and Tuts, Guides and Resources. Each category is limited to only five things so that you have time to visit each individually.

Have something to suggest? Note us! :D
3 comments   Editorials  Last +fav: *DigDug71

Challenging Yourself to Become a Better Artist

`Rahll:iconRahll: reports, November 21
Becoming a better artist means knowing how to challenge yourself, and maintaining a positive attitude even when nothing seems to be working out the way you want it to.

This article explores how to push yourself to do things you never thought you could do.

Editorials This Week

An Observation of deviantART

*ProjectComment:iconProjectComment: reports, 1d 17h ago
Discussing page views, activity and popularity, ~ChaoticSkye explores the inner workings of the community on deviantART from her point of view.

Although this does not apply to everyone, we hope the article is a worthwhile read and that the majority perceive things from a different point of view from reading this.

How to?

=morbidthegrim:iconmorbidthegrim: reports, November 27
!
55 comments   Editorials  Last +fav: ~Luiza82

Art Thieves- Learn to spot them!

~Azureluck:iconAzureluck: reports, November 25
Feeling suspicious about an art that appears to be stolen? Here are some things that make art theft easier to spot.

A Guide For Help To Become Good - And Respected

*llama-doll:iconllama-doll: reports, November 25
A guide for help to become good - and respected.

llama doll

Daily deviations explicadas por expertas!

=noticias:iconnoticias: reports, November 26
Estas tres chicas son expertas en el tema de sugerir Daily Deviations, ellas 3 suman cientos de DDs aceptas y publicadas en deviantART.

Entiende de una vez por todas el tema de las Daily Deviations…

What not to say to artists.

~MyaChan13:iconMyaChan13: reports, 2d 15h ago
Think before you comment. 4 things you should keep in mind before saying something.

Amazing Pictures, Pollution in China

=zesly:iconzesly: reports, November 25
40 very impressive picture.

October 14, 2009, the 30th annual awards ceremony of the W. Eugene Smith Memorial Fund took place at the Asia Society in New York City. Lu Guang (卢广;) from People’s Republic of China won the $30,000 W. Eugene Smith Grant in Humanistic Photography for his documentary project “;Pollution in China.”
6 comments   Editorials  Last +fav: ~Sangel99

Daily Deviations - The 'Do's and 'Don't's

*llama-doll:iconllama-doll: reports, 1d 1h ago
DD dos and donts llama doll

16 Days of Action

~shadowlight-oak:iconshadowlight-oak: reports, November 25
16 Days of Activism Against Gender Violence
2 comments   Editorials  Last +fav: ~ok-sana

PanoramaClub November 2009 Submissions

=PanoramaClub:iconPanoramaClub: reports, 1h 31m ago
Here are the deviations submitted to the =PanoramaClub during October 2009. You may visit our Collection for 2009.11 or visit the thumbs below...

Editorials


On Tracing and Learning

~stop-tracing:iconstop-tracing: reports, October 17, 2008
In the past month or so that the club has been running, I've heard many voices of support, but a few spoke out and defended tracing as a learning method. All of us have something to learn from each other, in my opinion, and as much as I hated the idea of saying anything positive about tracing at first, I sat down and chewed on what they said for a while and came up with this article.

Tracing can be helpful in certain ways, HOWEVER:

Do not use it as your sole learning method.


So far, everyone I have talked to that said they think tracing actually helped them has also mentioned the fact that they used other methods along with it. There is also a certain amount of thought that needs to be put into whatever you happen to be tracing. You can't just sit there and go over the lines while daydreaming about something else.

Try other things. Draw from life, especially. Tracing can help you get a handle on the pencil, but it can not teach you how to take something from 3D and put it into 2D. When you trace, you are tracing over an artist's (or a camera's) interpretation of something. Only a real human body is going to give you a perfect, realistic model.

An art teacher commented on my page saying that she had her students trace- I was taken aback at first. But she also explained that she had the students break down everything they traced with lines and circles, effectively destroying the artwork but turning it into a learning tool.

Concluding this rather long first section, my final advice would be this: If you're going to trace, do it as little as possible. Sitting there tracing drawing after drawing is not going to get you very far.

Tracing and drawing freehand are two very different things- ultimately, you need to practice freehanding.

Do not show your traces off.

They are not something to be proud of, and they're not something to show off. They're not your art. If you're doing this for learning purposes, you don't need to spread it all over the internet or anything.

The major problem with posting traces on deviantART, even if you're aware they're not really yours and you're saying "it's just practice," is that they're likely going to be better than your actual drawings when you start freehanding. People are going to watch you because they like your traces. Some people don't care about deviation descriptions and so on and so forth- they'll +fav anything as long as it has their favorite character in it or something.

And when you start freehanding, many of these watchers you've gained will be of no use to you. They won't give you critique. Your freehand drawings probably will not look as good as the traces they watched you for- they might just unwatch you.

Furthermore, there really isn't any way to critique a trace beyond "you missed an ear" or something. Nobody can truly help you by giving you a crit on your traces, because honestly, as long as you pay attention to what you're doing the trace is going to come out just like the original. And then what would they be doing? They wouldn't be giving you advice for your drawing- they'd be giving advice that basically just applies to the original drawing.

We can help you if you're a crappy freehand drawer.

It's okay if you suck.

EVERYONE starts off like crap. Your first drawings are probably going to suck rocks through a twisty straw. And it doesn't mean you don't deserve to be an artist, or that you'll NEVER be good, if you don't start off awesome.

It's like learning to ride a bicycle, in a way. You're wobbly, you crash, you have trouble turning the corners, you get some skinned knees, and then it all starts coming together. You get a feel for what you're doing and you just get better and better.

Tracing is like using training wheels on the bicycle. Even with training wheels, you're a little wobbly, but you get better. And when you're good with the training wheels, you take them off and you're a little wobbly and scared again. But eventually, you get the hang of things.

But if you keep those training wheels on forever, you're not going to get anywhere. You're going to stagnate and not learn anything. Plus you'll bump them on garbage cans and stuff and fall into people's roses (I speak from experience).

(My deepest apologies to anyone here that has never learned to ride a bicycle, for both the irrelevant metaphor and the lack of bicycle-riding in your life.)

Another interesting comparison for you: remember when you were learning to write (and later write cursive)? Most anyone that's been through school probably remembers the worksheets- lined paper with examples of the letters, "dotted" letters to trace over, and finally, space to draw the letters on your own. Notice they never filled the entire sheet with the dotted trace-over-me letters; there were a precious few, just to give you a little taste of how to draw the letter, but ultimately, you had to learn to do it yourself.

Back to the point that I wandered away from: yes, you will probably suck at first.

But that doesn't mean you can't get better.

Get bold. Ask for critiques. Go to the Thumbshare forum. Look for clubs like *ArtistsHospital. And of course, you get what you give around here- try to make helpful comments when other people are looking for crits, and they may very well return the favor.

And don't just stick around deviantART! Trust me, it's a great place, but if you want to get comments, exposure is key. Find other sites where you can post your work. It's hard to keep up with having lots of accounts on different sites, but it is likely you'll get more feedback.

So, in short:

Tracing can be used as a learning method.

I'm not trying to "take away your fun" or tell you not to use something that you think is helping you.

However, it is unwise to use it as your SOLE learning method.

It is also not something to show off as if it were your own work.

Art is not something you do alone- it's critique and opinions from other artists that will help you grow and improve.

In closing, I would like to point you to some excellent articles related to what I've discussed in this article.

Portrait-Artist.Org - Tracing, Grids, Etc.
Portrait-Artist.Org - Accept the Fact...
Portrait-Artist.org - Advice For Newbies
Learn To Draw By Tracing

And of course, the usual shameless club promotion =P:


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:iconkth3gr3at:
good article, still not keen on people tracing then posting it. it is 100% true what you said about starting off slow, I would know. My drawings sucked when i started, but unlike other people i kept with it and now they are always getting better. so my only advice to struggling artists who feel deseperate enough to trace is to keep trying without the tracing and develop your own style, not somebody else's.

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:iconstop-tracing:
Keep trying is the best advice! Sometimes you'll feel like you haven't improved at all. I find during those times it's best to look at your older works and comments you've received on them. When I look at drawings from a year or two ago, I wince, but then I smile and realize that I wince because I've improved. That always inspires me to get going! :D

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:iconka-tana:
Very well explained :)
:iconopalstar567:
by joining the club, i too learned a little bit.
nice article BTW. very well written :3

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:iconstop-tracing:
I'm glad you think so! :D

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:iconstop-tracing:
I've also learned some things these past few weeks :)

And thank you!

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:iconkth3gr3at:
Thanks for agreeing with me!! :hug:

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:iconcheshirecaticus:
I suppose with the rise in people posting art on the internet, people are more eager for thier drawings to be perfect/have an immediate learning curve that goes straight up, or get immediate praise, I know that if I'd had starting posting stuff on the internet sooner, I might be more inclined to trace, but as it was, I had sketchbooks full of the most horrible art ever, badly drawn 'anime', cats over and OVER again, but I got praise, critique ('Is that a dog?' 'No! It's a dragon!! >.<' ) which made me understand that it's okay to make mistakes, lol. XD

That's why I get kinda annoyed when people like... try and draw an arm, and essentially they haven't had that much practice, and they get all depresso because they think they should have gotten it already. XD
:iconstop-tracing:
You're very right. :nod: Everyone wants success NOW, praise and pats on the back NOW. But in reality, it takes a while to learn. People spend years on this stuff. It takes commitment.

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