So, I was wondering what most people's view on tracing is. Now, I have my own opinions about the subject, but for the purpose of this article I'm just going to post the facts and ask for you, the people's, opinions. I'm seriously looking for multiple points to the argument, different views, and maybe a bit of understanding from both sides so that I can better understand.
The facts:
DA's policy on art:
"Respect Your Fellow Artists
As a vibrant and growing art community deviantART welcomes all kinds of original artworks; but we MUST insist that the artwork which you submit be your own original works.
Your deviations must be your own original creations and you may only use resources which are considered legitimate and legal. Submissions which make use of works without proper permission or licensing by the original author will be removed as they come to the attention of the staff. This policy applies to all Deviation submissions, Scrapbook entries, and the preview images used for written submissions.
If you have reason to believe that a deviantART submission violates this policy you should use the official Report Violation link which is available on every submission page."
The US law, where DA is based out of, states that you must change *at least* 20% of the original composition in order for it not to be stealing, the art must not be copyrighted, or you must have full permission from and give credit to the original artist. There are such things as "intellectual rights" to characters and designs, which basically say that you have the right to this exact character and the concept which evolves around him/her. There is a fine line, however, in how you can change this and be ok, thus why so many companies have a hard time limiting fan comics etc. Composition, however, is a different topic.
So with that in mind, if you ran across a complete trace of someone else's work with any of these circumstances:
A) no credit given
B) no commentary allowed
C) no room for discussion, inquiry, suggestions, or even mention of tracing in the post
D) blockage for even mentioning the idea that it is a trace (which is allowed here on DA, I am told, so therefore they have nothing to fear)
E) taking credit or otherwise not implying that it was anyone else's idea in the least but their own
or
F) only doing it for pageviews and comments and not the general development of their art or style and or giving credit to the artist whom originally rendered it
... what would you do?
Please feel free to post your opinions on the topic. No flaming or bashing, only polite discussion here please. Do not comment hostily to anyone else's views, and try to keep your post polite. Remember, I have a view on it too, but i'm being civil. On that note, PLEASE feel free to share comments, discussions, and opinions on the topic!
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And honestly, o_O I think it ought to be considered straight up art theft.
Stealing even just somebody else's composition makes it their art.
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In short, I think it's theft and deception, especially if it meets even one of the criteria you listed (not giving credit, not mentioning it's a trace, and so on).
I do not think of it as art and I do not, therefore, think it belongs on an art site. I am especially irritated by direct copies from anime screenshots, which are copyrighted. I don't see why it's allowed to upload traces of these as if you did something while it's not allowed to just upload the screencaps you traced from, you know?
This also leads me to wonder if it would be okay to trace from another artist's gallery with no credit. I've seen someone banned (albeit after much drama) for doing this and claiming the work as her own. But it had to reach a boiling point before this person was banned, which is sad, since proof that multiple images in her gallery were direct overlays, not "reference." In the end, I wonder if she was only banned for selling traced works as commissions... Sigh.
I also wonder if it would be allowed to trace a tracer's image. I mean, you would just be copying something they copied. How could they prove you traced theirs and not the same screenshot? And even if you did trace theirs, would it really matter? Is it even theirs?
I think all of these questions it raises is one of the many reasons it ought to just be purely and simply disallowed.
It is especially wrong and insulting to real artists who work hard on their art. And animators are artists, too, and someone somewhere drew an image that is making someone else very popular while getting no credit or mention or reference whatsoever.
On a final note that concerns me with this topic, the term "vector" has been so largely applied as a euphemism that many people believe "vector" is a synonym for "trace." That is an extreme insult against what vectors really are and gives a bad brand to real vector artists. I cannot imagine the stigma attached to the word when real vector artists are ignorantly accused of tracing because so many people think that is what it means. Calling a trace a vector is just trying to mislead people by dressing it up in a pretty skirt. -_-
If I go any further, I am going to lose my ability to remain civil. And, I think I've said all I need to say, so that's that!
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Anyone who takes a finished composition traces it and calls it his or her own is wrong.
Tracing (no matter how much of it's changed or not) really, truly doesn't help a person accomplish anything other than "oh look, i can copy so and so's stuff". Why be a copycat? ^_^
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And you know very well that I agree. I've seen that happen with artists, and they got banned. It's no different whether they're professional or not, you're gaining profits off of other's art. If I print the mona lisa and submit it to a gallery, I'm going to get laughed at profusely. It's a joke in the real art world, so i'm wondering if anyone can tell me why it's any different here? I mean, there are some logical arguments for it but there are some cases where it is just NOT..OK. I think that DA would not allow it for fear of legal trouble, but it's their site and their rules. What I think is odd is that people don't see it as a gain if they haven't sold it. NO? They're gaining attention, fame, recognition in the art world, connections, favorites, and people requesting and possibly offering to buy work. How do you defend that it has to be monetary when things like that LEAD to monetary gain? It's a fine line... but that's why I would propose that we draw it *way* back there in order that it doesn't cross the money issue...by just not allowing it unless you have permission, credit, or it is of your own pictures/work.
Yes, I agree it is a topic easy to get fired up to, but we must be open to opinions. Whether or not we accept them is another story, but that's our right and theirs to have our individual preferences and set of code. Also, I agree...I spend MANY hours on my work (regardless of whether more talented artists could do the same in 5 minutes, I spend days), and if I saw someone using my art I'd have no problem getting a lawyer on them and otherwise doing everything in my power to make them compensate/resolve the issue. It's not fair to real artists. It's not ok to steal from a store, it's not ok to cheat off tests, so why is it ok to steal art whether it be an idea or a physical, tangible object? And yes, there's nothing better than dressing up stealing in a pretty skirt, because without a credit or permission, that's what it is. =/
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