Any one who uses Poser on this site understands why I'm posting this. Every few months or so there seems to be a rash of "real" 3d modelers who feel it's their right to belittle those in this community who use Poser. If you don't know what Poser is, let me give you the quick and simple on it:
Poser and Daz Studio is a program that utilizes pre made models that a person can modify, fairly easily, using brought or made textures, morphs etc. Some Poser folks after their image is rendered will jazz it up in paintshop or choose to render in another app to make their image better.
Now what bothers most of the "real" 3d modlers is that a lot of Poser "artist" like to make images of nude or scantily clad big breasted woman (before you look I'm guilty of that) and these image tend to recieve a lot of views, vice the guy who's labored for weeks and recieves little view, comments and faves. The relative ease it takes someone in Poser to create one of these big busted scantily clad women (BBSCW) along with time and effort seems to frustrate the "real" 3d modlers because their works aren't getting the attention they feel they deserve and they have to share "their" gallery, 3D, with Poser people and the BBSCWs.
I've wondered why DA hasn't yet split the 3D realm up so the "real" modelers can post and create a seperate catergory within 3d that states "Poser/DazStudio". Yet I understand why they don't because there are ton's of Poser folks who make some works that can be truly called art and have passed on going the BBSCW route. There are also those who do the BBSCW stuff and you can see the effort into their work.
Does the BBSCW get more attention? Yes it does, sex sells. That's a part of life but in the end it's the quality of work that one produces that has many watching them.
Am I digressing? Yes and no. Is Poser 3D, what's your opinion? Should it be given it's own sub catergory? I know this will cause a lot of hate and discontent from both sides so let me address some of the hate now:
"Real" 3D modelers : I'm not saying that the lot of you are crying, whining and throwing rocks at the Poser folk, but the number of anti Poser post seems to have increased of late and a majority of it comes from those who believe they are the elite and shouldn't have to share their gallery with the mere Poser folk. A few bad apples are being quite loud and those are the ones I speak of.
Poser folk : Some of you may feel like I've over simplified Poser in my explanation of it. I apologize if you feel that way, I was just trying to make it easier to understand. For those of you who post the Big Busted types...before you think I'm calling you non talented hacks...remember I did state that I do those too.
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This conversation comes us so often that I think I should write down some arguments for copy paste each time. That should spare me some time!
Is poser 3d? Sure. It uses mesh objects, textures, lights and a render engine.
Are poser users good modelers? I believe most of us are not.
Are you a better artist if you know how to model? No. You only are a better modeler.
All poser renders are not art, that is for sure; just like a render of a self-modeled sword is not art neither, even if you did a good job modeling it.
A mesh is simply a mesh until you use it to create art...
You explained it perfectly!
People will always argue what they consider art and what they don't. Painters, line art, colorists, sculpting, photography, manipulating, digital, poems, writing, etc. The list goes on and on. Mediums, styles, techniques and tools used have all been under fire by other artists. And digital art is no exception. One artists will point fingers at another that they are not true artists because of the programs used.
All art is created from something else. A pencil and paper, art and canvas, pigments and a cave wall.
And Poser/Daz or what ever programs you use falls under this. If it is 3d, then its 3d art, painting then its painting, it's pretty self explanatory.
Anyone who knows what Poser is knows that a lot of people who use it did not create the models they are working with, nor do they claim to. And as far as quality of work, nudity and such, you will see that in every medium and genre, plain and simple. I see it in all types of work, Poser/daz art is not exclusive to this type of work.
If someone attacks anothers work or medium used then it defeats what we all are trying to do on online art communities like this. Drama and rudeness infects, and art is called into question. Poser/daz is digital art, and is 3d, end of story. There is a lot of flack on people who use the program and its is quite silly. Pieces made by Poser have even made it into Expose by Ballistic Publishing and can be seen in high end sites like Cg Society.
This is just another thing for people to cause drama over, you will always have that. No matter what it is somebody will be calling another out, and getting people to back them up. It could be fueled by insecurities, hatred, boredom, amusement or a need for drama.
All artists should be coming together, not throwing stones at one another. Otherwise it is just immature and augmentative
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I use Poser with lots of premade models (as well as a few I've made myself). I also buy rather than build cameras to take photos with, and I buy premixed oil paints rather than grinding the pigments myself. (I even sometimes use pre-stretched canvas!
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