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Feelings Of Autumn Contest Winners

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*project-improve has been a bit quiet over the past few weeks, but we plan on kicking that up now!

We're looking for new members for our team, explaining a bit about the process, and featuring some great work in this article!

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Respecting Daily Deviations

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I've been noticing for a long time a serious lack of respect in the deviantART community towards those who have been awarded daily deviations. I'm not talking about constructive criticism; I'm talking about utter disrespect for the artist from saying that the piece featured did not deserve the daily deviation to declaring that the model depicted is too thin or too fat to claiming the content of the art is wrong based on someone's narrow opinion. Enough is enough.

The Color-Me-Club introduces_New Submission System

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The new method the Color-Me-Club will be displaying artwork to its members. The steps to submitting line art, however, remains completely unchanged, so worry not line artists!

Feelings Of Autumn Contest Winners

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Feelings of Autumn Contest Winners from *Live-Love-Write

Live-Love-Write Updates, Dec. 5, 2009

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deviantART: Get Structured

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My attempt at bringing the issues of policy violations to the attention of deviantART and a potential solution to the problem I hope they will consider for the sake of deviantART as a whole.

The hitchiker's guide to :devFilmLand:!

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In this article we explain how #FilmLand will work and what you can do to stay in sync with all the updates; as well as colaborating in the group and the activities we'll be doing :D

Carta de agradecimiento

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Una new importante, que espero que todos leáis.

GLBT Pride Group!!!

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For all those you work with the GLBT Pride club, or want to work with the GLBT Pride club!

This is about the different positions in the group, and it's current status.
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Secret Santa Discussion - Good or Not?

~Arina-Shirakawa:iconArina-Shirakawa: reports, October 31, 2008
To open up with this discussion, I quote a song made up by one of my dear friends, :iconallychan:

(not the exact song, since I forgot a couple lyric....sorry I butchered the lyrics, but man, she's pure genius who can make up lyrics in a matter of seconds)

"'Tis the season to be bitchy, fa la la la la, la la la la;
Something secret santa is too witchy, fa la la la la, la la la la."



So it has became a trend for each holiday season to see various Secret Santa Events popping up, accompanied by journals from various people being invited making a wish list with what they wanted for Secret Santa. It is usually a request of drawing of their original characters, to poems customly made from them. They do not know who their Secret Santa is until the day they received the gift.

While it is a good idea to promote the spirit of gift giving, on the other hand I have seen people being hurt over this. Last year, I have seen journals about getting hurt not being invited to some Secret Santas and claiming it is all for popular artists etc. (Just in case if you're wondering, I actually got invited to a few) Then comments flying all over these Secret Santa pages saying that it is not fair and why is it not open to public etc.

Next thing you know, you will see Secret Santa journals popping up claiming they want better artists in the group because better artists deserve "better" art at their skill level. The more outrageous ones I heard from artists claiming that the Secret Santa gifts they got were "crappy" and not up to their standards, and toss them aside.

The list can go on. But the question is, is Secret Santa good? And if you do it, should you open it to public or not? And if you do it privately, can it be done offsite instead on deviantArt? Does it make it look like you are rubbing it into people's faces? Or does it solidify your status on deviantArt? Or you are just really in it for the gift giving.

Everyone is trying hard to avoid drama as well as the numerous amount of journals of bitching and moaning. It is not healthy. Some people strive for drama, but most people on dA don't. I personally feel really bad for those who yearn for an invite, and get emotionally hurt when they don't. Then they perceive deviantArt as a place for popularity and leave for other places like Sheezy or MangaBullet. Their self esteem gets hurt, and that is not what art is all about.

You would then hear some artists replying to the ones get hurt saying that "Oh, try harder next year, improve your skills, hope you will get invited next year." But if you're at the receiving end, does it make you want to push harder to work on your art? Or does your self esteem hurt so bad because you got denied? And is it the right reason to improve your art so you can get invited to these events to prove yourself popular?

At the end, it all ties back to the numerous news lately on "How to be Popular" guides. It is sad to admit and see that this place is still all about popularity. And in one way or another, people are going to be praised, or get hurt. It is up to you to choose whether to let it get to you or not.

So back to the original questions, do these Secret Santa events do good to the dA community or not?

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:iconxsassylassyx:
I think the concept itself is a good thing, but people have forgotten the main idea, which is about giving, and they now enter these secret santa's just to get stuff made for them, and will get all prissy if they don't like it. same goes with the "clubs" that turn down people for secret santa events just because their skill level isn't high enough.

you know, even if you take it off of dA, the same problem ill still be there.

you know, I haven't been invited to any secret santa events, maybe because Im not that skilled, and maybe because I hardly know anyone on here, but in the end it's not worth getting hurt over!
:iconalbino-poncho:
I was JUST thinking about the Secret Santas earlier this week, and thinking, "Will I get invited this year to a good one? Have I improved? Oh well, even though I have improved, my pageviews still haven't gone up and I have no connections with the 'in crowd'." Those were my exact thoughts, and I'm sure other people feel the same way.

However, Secret Santas are fun to at least follow, and see what gifts the oh so great "POPULAR" artists dish out. Although many feelings will be hurt again this year, I do hope they continue making them. Besides, there are other Secret Santas that are open to the public, and some of them even require you to pass a certain skill level, so you can find them everywhere.

I agree with you that its sad and it sucks pageviews and popularity rule everything here on DA though. However, that is never going to change.

As a whole, Secret Santas makes the DA community look good on the outside, because it makes it look like the community is strong and has many fun events. Since only the popular artists make it into the bigger Secret Santas, it looks even better to the outside because they think, "Oh, wow, all artists on DA are talented!". On the inside, they don't know how hurtful it is to most of us.
:iconctjemm:
oh I don't think the secret santa problem might be about popularity more than it is about status and skill.

In the natural order of things *leaving out the anomalies, and deviants that have been here for a long time*, high skill = good art = pageviews = popularity = status ranks. Hanging out with the people of this skill level is the equivalent to hanging out with the cool kids in school, basically, and most artists on this site want to belong to something, and i suppose everyone would naturally go for the more famous or respected something, meaning these cliques/groups of highly-skilled artists that happen to all be friends with one another. Similarly, once a highly skilled artist gets accustomed to being around their friends of similar level, they won't want art from someone with less experience when they have to push forward their best effort for someone else. They're both right and wrong for feeling this way, I think. They're right for believing in their talent enough to think they deserve something good, but they're wrong to forget once upon a time, they were a n00b too.

and that's where the problem begins. Everyone wants to belong to a popular clique, but not everyone is actually wanted in these cliques.

It's the way the world works, not just dA, and I don't much believe it can change. If they run to MB and SA, it would be the same situation.

This activity to me therefore is bad for the people that get hurt in the process, but also good because it pushes others to improve, to raise up to this calibre. ^^

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:iconguardianyashu:
-Secret Santa good? -short answer: yes (in most cases)
-And if you do it, should you open it to public or not? -Isn't the whole point for people to be secretly giving gifts and spread the holiday spirit. If anyone can join then the spirit can be more widely spread
-And if you do it privately, can it be done offsite instead on deviantArt? -It should be. Then people wouldn't know who is/isn't invited (unless people go and make journals bragging that they were invited)
-Does it make it look like you are rubbing it into people's faces? -Yes, especially the people who keep make journals mentioning how they're in a Secret Santa
-Or does it solidify your status on deviantArt? -Unfortunately yes
-Or you are just really in it for the gift giving. -I think some people are, but definately not the people that set up invite only SS

srsly, if i ever someone got popularz and got invited to one that was all popularz people I wouldn't join XD

though, I just had a thought, what if there were invite-only ones were people were chosen just based on they're interests regardless of skill-level so that people that all have a similar interest (like say a specific anime) can exchange art as gifts. This way you'd get a variety of people but still be able to have easy control over the size of the SS. That or just click the "random deviant" thing and chose completely random ppl to join.

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:iconmikako-san:
Okay, first and foremost, I lol'd at the lyrics. pure, pure genius.

now to the serious part, I particularly don't think Secret Santas are good OR bad. Because, I'd be a hypocrite if I wouldn't say that I get somehow, emotionally hurt when I'm not invited to secret santas, especially when you've got millions of journals going all like "I got invited ^_____^". It's not a good emotion to feel when you think your talent isn't good enough.

second, I HATE how Secret santas go "sorry your art isn't up to our standards", ect. because that is indirectly saying "sorry your art sucks not good enough". Particularly, it's not good for an aspiring artist's self esteem. Being denied feel kind of crappy, yes?

And there are actually people who say that the secret santa gift they have received is crappy? that. is. terrible. It's the thought that counts, right? not the quality of the art piece. People should actually be thankful that someone got off their ass and made something especially for you. I personally haven't seen any artist like that, but if I did, I'd ram a tree up his or her ass.

in my opinion. SECRET santas should be kept SECRET. that's why it's called SECRET (well not really, but whatev). It'll keep the drama down to a minimum, thus making it better. And seriously, who would want to have journals in their message boxes about someone being invited while they weren't? it's a crappy feeling.

Not really related but, It's sad how materialistic the Christmas season has become. All people care about is what they receive, and the quality of what they are receiving. It might sound cheesy but, The Christmas season is about spreading love and joy, not about the solid presents you receive.

ahhh pointless badly written comment, I want to expand it but my brother is kicking me off the computer.

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:iconaisha-kun:
Meh, I think that they should be opened to everyone OR closed down D8< Its certainly not fair to invite some people but to refuse others just because their art isn't the greatest.

I mean..the MAIN point of the secret santas are just to exchange art, not to criticize the art given to you. I mean, certainly you wouldn't complain to your parents that they got the wrong present and then throw it back in their face. Just because the people here on DA you don't know in real life doesn't mean you should treat them any different. Srsly....

SECRET SANTA PEOPLE !! IF YOU ARE READING THIS, RIGHT NOW I'M SAYING YALL ARE PURE EVIL! ITS LIKE YOU WANT TO CAUSE DRAMA AROUND THE HOLIDAYS D8<

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:iconshuinoshina:
While "Secret Santa" is a tradition with good intentions, here on Deviantart it's nothing more than a bitch-fest to the highest along with everything else.

Needless to say my opinion is that anything good from the real world is eradicated and raped by DA's elitist views from it's memebers.

DA turns something good into something evil by segregating the good from the bad, the par from the sub-par, and the list goes on.

Secret Santa's should be against DA policy. Or, if they should be allowed, everyone should be allowed to join and you need to shut the fuck up and take what you're given because these people put time and energy into what they're drawing you out of the good spirits of Christmas.
:iconcarico:
Here's my take on just a few of the people that complain about not getting invited:

Maybe the person inviting simply hasn't seen your uber-wonderful=super-sexy-DA- Page-that-everyone-just-needs-to-drop-their-jaws-in-awe-over yet. Maybe it's that simple.

Or maybe it's among some of their friends, ya? Most good artists are friends with other good artists-- you see it a lot on DA, and they're often the ones who get invited into the same SS. A lot of people that don't get invited but rather complain are often people that just want to soak in the idea that Hey I'm better than these folk, I should get invited!

Maybe you're just not that successful as an artist, ever think of that?

They can't invite everyone, but I can understand where they do want it to be as fair as they can get it. That's likely why they ask for better artists too, but as for people who aren't grateful for the gifts they receive, I can't justify that.

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:icona-dragonflys-sin:
I agree with most people that the concept is a good thing, but I believe there should be at least some open ones. Like, just make a journal saying "I am holding a secret Santa, note me if interested" and not deny anyone? just ask people to send you a note asking for something they would like so when you randomize it you can note the people they get with "You have so and so Wishes=whatever"? Why does it have to be some power hungry game? Maby I am just angry that I know I will not be invited to any such event this year, but comon, it is just not fair.

And why bitch about the quality of art you receive? You just got something that someone worked very hard on, just for you. You should be happy with it, so what if they are not the most skilled artiest in the world? In an IRL secret Santa, would have have the gull to complain that you got something you did not want?! No. That's just plane mean.

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:iconkichoo:
THANKYOU for making this news article.

I think SS here is a load of bullcrap. the idea is GREAT, and it's very sweet. of course a lot of people would love to join the game, but they simply can't, because the SS users are mostly one or more bitches, that think most of us shouldn't be allowed to participate.

and if ANY of you SS-site people read this topic,
THEN WHAT IS THE MEANING OF ONLY LETTING THE SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE PARTICIPATE EVERY YEAR?

they should've called it SS For The Following Artists: /names of populahs/

that would make more sense. because that's what's it's like now, and that's what it'll be like in the future if they keep going.

I say SS should be kept secret. I already got like 10 journals from people who got invited, full of nothing but squeals about how happy they are about it.

this pisses me off so bad.

/but again, thankyou for writing this, I feel much better after letting out my thoughts on it.


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