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Project Comment: Around dA Issue 6

#ProjectComment:iconProjectComment: reports, 1d 11h ago
Project Comment is all about the community, so instead of just sticking to one thing and effectively closing all our walls and doors, we’re issuing a weekly Around dA, Project Comment style.

This news article includes things you can take part of (Groups, Features, Projects and More!), FAQs and Tuts, Guides and Resources. Each category is limited to only five things so that you have time to visit each individually.

Have something to suggest? Note us! :D

Alzheimer's Disease. A Plea at Christmas

`photonig:iconphotonig: reports, December 4
There was a play on; a half hour treat between grim news headlines. This particular play was a monologue about an elderly lady suffering the effects of Alzheimer's Disease......................

Inspiration credits is not a shame!

=lady-symphonia:iconlady-symphonia: reports, December 4
copy art inspiration

An Observation of deviantART

#ProjectComment:iconProjectComment: reports, November 29
Discussing page views, activity and popularity, ~ChaoticSkye explores the inner workings of the community on deviantART from her point of view.

Although this does not apply to everyone, we hope the article is a worthwhile read and that the majority perceive things from a different point of view from reading this.

Daily deviations explicadas por expertas!

#noticias:iconnoticias: reports, November 26
Estas tres chicas son expertas en el tema de sugerir Daily Deviations, ellas 3 suman cientos de DDs aceptas y publicadas en deviantART.

Entiende de una vez por todas el tema de las Daily Deviations…

How to?

=morbidthegrim:iconmorbidthegrim: reports, November 27
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60 comments   Editorials  Last +fav: ~Yuk-pac

A Guide For Help To Become Good - And Respected

*llama-doll:iconllama-doll: reports, November 25
A guide for help to become good - and respected.

llama doll

Art Thieves- Learn to spot them!

~Azureluck:iconAzureluck: reports, November 25
Feeling suspicious about an art that appears to be stolen? Here are some things that make art theft easier to spot.
58 comments   Editorials  Last +fav: *isloden

Establishing a Process for Better Art

`Rahll:iconRahll: reports, November 23
In this article I'll talk about establishing a process of working on art that will help you turn out much better work without as much struggling or confusion.
69 comments   Editorials  Last +fav: ~akane-k

¿Porqué desaparece una Daily Deviation?

#noticias:iconnoticias: reports, November 23
¿Porqué desaparece una Daily Deviation?

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Inspiration credits is not a shame!

=lady-symphonia:iconlady-symphonia: reports, December 4
copy art inspiration

Project Comment: Around dA Issue 6

#ProjectComment:iconProjectComment: reports, 1d 11h ago
Project Comment is all about the community, so instead of just sticking to one thing and effectively closing all our walls and doors, we’re issuing a weekly Around dA, Project Comment style.

This news article includes things you can take part of (Groups, Features, Projects and More!), FAQs and Tuts, Guides and Resources. Each category is limited to only five things so that you have time to visit each individually.

Have something to suggest? Note us! :D

Alzheimer's Disease. A Plea at Christmas

`photonig:iconphotonig: reports, December 4
There was a play on; a half hour treat between grim news headlines. This particular play was a monologue about an elderly lady suffering the effects of Alzheimer's Disease......................

PanoramaClub November 2009 Submissions

=PanoramaClub:iconPanoramaClub: reports, December 1
Here are the deviations submitted to the =PanoramaClub during October 2009. You may visit our Collection for 2009.11 or visit the thumbs below...

The reality of bullying

#ShatterTheStigma:iconShatterTheStigma: reports, December 4
Bullying is often seen as "nothing" people effected by it as being "weak" or "malodramatic", but bullying is a big deal and the aftermath of it can be life changing

Realms of Fantasy and Myth: Week 24 - Drow

~ladyarah:iconladyarah: reports, December 1
Realms of Fantasy and Myth: Week 24 - Drow

An Attitude Change About Yourself

=Ditroi:iconDitroi: reports, December 2
For artists and non-artists that are depressed and feel down on their luck because of the economy.

The Stigma of Suicide

#ShatterTheStigma:iconShatterTheStigma: reports, December 1
stigma is our enermy

Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds

=GreyLynx:iconGreyLynx: reports, December 4
Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds.
A piece of history.

Thoughts on Club Maintenance

*inacom:iconinacom: reports, 2d 11m ago
Some thoughts on how to run a club, based on observation and personal experience as club admin.

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How to Value Art and Enhance your Comments

*CosmicFolklore:iconCosmicFolklore: reports, January 27
I almost called this "how to herd llamas," LOL.

My previous editorial was about defining art as a value instead of as a thing. I mentioned that the viewer plays a proactive role in whether something has the value of art. This entry is a focus on the viewer’s role, for if there is no viewer, there can be no art. I mentioned that there are two values, art and ordinary, and that it is by an occurrence of a phenomenon that elevates the object or event above the level of ordinary; but, it is up to the viewer to recognize this phenomenon before the level can be elevated. This editorial is to continue the definition of art and define the critique process.

Why do we need to learn to look? Weren’t we born with eyes? Yes, but because I have eyes, does not mean that I can read. It does not mean that I have the facilities to fully appreciate what I am looking at. The first philosophers, Plato, Sophocles, etc, defined how the brain works in cogitating the world around them. And, this is the process we know as the critique process, and it has to be practiced to begin to pull meaning from works of art, for without a process we flounder upon the great works of art aimlessly hitting and missing the point.

I blame liberal elementary art teachers for bringing down the esteem and power of art. Back in the 60’s there was this revolution amongst art teachers to liberally teach art without teaching students how to look. “Art is what you want it to be.” “Art can mean whatever you want it to be.” Instead of keeping up with evolving advances in modern art aesthetics, it became easier to use these catch all phrases. “It is like looking at clouds and pulling out images that randomly appear.” I am sure that Jackson Pollock would have socked one of these teachers in the mouth. He was a deep thinker that punched first and spoke later, but he was no dummy. He didn’t paint clouds. This liberal way of interpreting art has devalued art. Powers that be see it as playtime in school, thus they cut funding. Generations of artists go on to make art without knowing how to even look at them. Superstitions develop where knowledge of inquiry is lost. Art is fundamentally important to every human being, but first we need to learn to look.

This critique process is a continuation of the creative process. The artist and viewer have to connect for there to be a process of communication. Far too often painters paint, without even thinking about how it will be looked at. But, for there to be art, there has to be critics. Each and every one of us has the responsibility to critique a work to deem it art or ordinary. Otherwise, we just accept what the museums tell us is art, or we become apathetic. But, the sole purpose of the process is to pull meaning and evaluate for ourselves whether something is art. Without the process we draw for no one, we draw for darkness, we draw in vain.

There are four distinct steps to the process; describe, analyze, interpret, and evaluate. The first step, describe, is to just think about what you are looking at. “I am looking at an oil painting of someone in a red hat. There is also a cat, skull, and a burning zebra in the background,” etc… It may seem mundane or frivolous to do this, but if you consciously exercise this, you may just be surprised at what you may be missing in works. Every year I show my classes the sculpture of Donatello’s David, and almost everyone says they have seen it. And, they sigh when I ask them to describe it. I keep pushing them and pushing. Then, after they think they have described it to death, I point out that there is a feather coming up from Goliath’s helmet and that it is lightly brushing David’s buttocks. (I bet you're going to go check on that:). Also, how many years has Da Vinci’s Last Supper been painted and no one noticed that the person to the left of Jesus looks like a woman? Can we ever describe enough?

The second step is to analyze. This is where we break down a work into how it was made, how it is organized, and what thing reacts with another. Most people don’t realize that historically, paintings didn’t typically crop parts of people off until the invention of photography. Until then, painters tried very hard to work in the whole person, and it makes for some very odd compositions. Next time you see a Botticelli or Michelangelo, notice how they extend the scene way out to include every part of the people in the composition. Then look at Daumier or Delacroix. This is a complicated stage, for you have to really think about the work, and this analytical thinking takes practice. It is like figuring out how a car engine works, whether it works, and what exactly is broken in the work. You have to have had experience with car engines to develop this skill. Look, look, look, and keep practicing this.

The third stage relies upon the second. You have to analyze how the piece works to help figure out what it means. This is the interpret stage. You decode the work. Or, you figure out what it is used for. I hand out a bunch of gadgets that I have found at the thrift store and I ask my students every year to tell me what the object is used for. You have to analyze the object to interpret what you are supposed to do with it. You also have to analyze a work to figure out what a symbol might mean. For example, we all are familiar with a swastika. We know what it stands for, but when we see this image within a Native American work, such as a woven rug, we cannot just assume that it means the same thing. First we have to come to an understanding that the object with the symbol that we are familiar with is not associated with the Nazis. You also have to interpret the mood or feeling that is evoked within a work. Sometimes a work may have been created with only the intentions of evoking an emotion.

I love to tell my classes that art allows us to communicate with the dead. They look baffled, until I start critiquing a work by Giotto, Picasso, or even an ancient Grecian urn. We pull meaning from these ancient messages left to us by great thinkers. These artists of antiquity were not just doodling. They were not just pretty painters and sculptors. They reveal to us knowledge of what it means to be human that is as fresh today as it was hundreds or thousands of years ago. But, to pull meaning from symbols, signs, and metaphors, we have to also have a bit of understanding about the stories that these people shared. This requires exercising our brains, reading, and many young brains have been made so weak by liberal education that it hurts them to do this. So it goes.

The Church for hundreds of years did not allow people to see or read the Bible as a means of learning the many facets of Christianity. It was through teaching the people to critique the Christian works of art found everywhere in the churches that the religion was conveyed. Reading was not even a skill most had back then. So, critiquing the works of the masters was of more value back then than it was today for the common follower.

The final step is to take all that you’ve obtained and bring it together into an evaluation. We evaluate whether it works, whether we agree with the work, or whether we can at least appreciate it. This is where I get into trouble, because I believe that if the artist is accessible, then we should let them know the evaluation. If it is good, that is easy. If it is bad, then we should come up with a reason based on sound evaluation. If you can give a reason for disliking something after having gone through this process, then you will not end up saying things like, “your work sucks,” “you make ugly things,” or “my dog could have painted that.” An honest assessment of an artist’s work is part of learning how people will tend to view it.

OK, lets say that we open the first amendment up to DA, hypothetically speaking. Allow idiots to post what they will. If you see a work, you critique it, you soak it in, and you have really enjoyed it. Then you read where someone has posted something like, “you suck, your work sucks, and I am offended by what you call art.” Does your perception change? Does it devalue the artwork? the artist? the idea being conveyed? No, unless you are one of those people who always allows others to think for you. I know that I would just think less of the person who posted such a comment. And, leaving a stupid comment on your work is justice or karma at work. It needs to be left for people to see. Maybe even promote people to look at the comment. Bring attention to the fact that this person is an idiot. However, I feel that if people just took the time to actually critique something, giving it the time to go through all four steps, they will not only become closer to the artist if they find synchronicity, but if they don’t, then they will have a more intelligent constructive criticism of the work.

Examples of good feedback:

“Mr. Man Ray, I saw your work, LeViolon d’Ingres, and I think that you have captured your subject very well; however, I do not agree with the notion that you convey that women are like instruments, objects to be played with by man.”

“Mr. Ceramics Man, I saw your tea pot that you’ve made, and it worries me that someone will burn themselves, since you did not give it a handle. Tea is very hot.”

“Mr. Nude Photographer, I don’t like to see nudity.” This shows tons of stupidity but is a valid point. Some people are very offended by seeing nudity. It reminds them that they, themselves are ugly :)

Andy Warhol used to say, “Don’t worry about WHAT the critics say, just measure the amount of space they took to write it.” To me this means that if someone is evoked enough to write a lot about your work, whether good or bad, then you are deemed important in their eyes. I’m not sure who said it first, but “there is no such thing as bad publicity.” :)

Please feel free to add, criticize, or discuss this with me. I do not believe that I have all of the answers, and I value your opinions. It will give me a chance to grow. Thanks…

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:iconlovittgirl:
Have to think more before I can comment. And my brain is fried at the moment. :nirvana:

Hopefully I'll make it back to comment another time. :hug:

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:iconcosmicfolklore:
This definitely is not the most popular area of study for artists. Which may explain why it was cast aside by educators. But, it is an important part of art study.

I was told in college that an adequate assessment of a work of art takes at least 15 minutes of looking and thinking. But on DA, because there is so much to look through, most people can't afford to give a work that much time.

However, with practice this can be reduced down. Sort of like reading, the more you do it, the faster you get.

There needs to be a cell phone, microwave oven generational version of criticism, LOL. We are all so busy with our devises that makes life faster and easier (supposedly) that it is hard to make ourselves slow down and really enjoy a work of art.

Sort of like wine, the cheap stuff for the fast drunk, and the good stuff for savoring and enjoying :)

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:iconsarahb86:
i found this article to be rather interesting. I wish more people would take the time to comment and critique properly because many artworks have a deeper meaning to them than what is noticeable at first.

Great story. :)

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:iconcosmicfolklore:
Thank you sarahb86,
yeah, I have to admit that I am guilty as well :stupidme:, but I would love to just spend all day really getting into many of too full of the fantastic works here on DA. We all just spend too much time doing stuff other people want us to do.
You know? work, cooking, taking showers, he he.
It's just easier sometimes to fav something, and let that be an expression of how we feel. But, I do try to at least say something.

But, I do set down every now and then and just relish a work here and there. I scan through my deviantWATCH, and select a couple of works to just soak.

I'm sure that there are a few like me, maybe many.

I just miss those late nights in the studio, back in college. We'd all be drenched in mineral spirits. The sun would be just peaking over the trees. We would all gather up the coffee cups, beer bottles, and pick all of the cig butts out of the bucket of mineral spirits. Then we would look at what each of us had been working on, and then say, "what the hell were you thinking?" LOL. Or, ooooooowwwwww and awwwwww over some three inch square portion of a 8 foot by 12 foot canvas.

But, we would also have those mornings where we really talk about what we we were doing. We'd check to see if our ideas were being made manifest. "Do you get it, man?" "Yeah man, that's what I'm sayin'." or, "I didn't think about it that way."

Then the professor walks in and takes a big ole leak right on each and every one. We all loved that old man. Now, when someone takes a leak on my work, I just do what we did back in college.

Sigh, those were the days :)

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:iconlmwilliams:
I agree with a lot of what has been said here but only in the context of art being shown in the manner for which it was created. I personally dont feel that the DA, as wonderful as it is at bringing art to a wider audience, does not hold the capicity for such analytical enjoyment of art and even film.

For a start, most of my work looses its point as soon as i scan it into a computer, as my work is very textural and that cant be appreciated in its 2d rendition. Secondly, and no offense to those of you who are 'serious' artists, but most of the audience he do art simply for the enjoyment of creating and NOT for creating profound messages. I for one intend to use the DA merely to hoard and be inspired to create ';pretty things' and thats it. All my ';proper' art will go into my professional website where those looking for some thought provoking work can seek it out.

On the other hand ive seen some bloody incredible work here, which i have dutifully given a long critique on... however the artist themselves did not intend to have all that meaning in the work. This is why i think more focus should be given on the scrap/sketch stages of peoples work so you can really put their work in context. Is it a happy mistake, a pretty drawing or something much deeper. I always check out the scrap sections on people as i think that gives the true context in which to apprecaite their work- for aesthetics, or deeper meaning.

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:iconcosmicfolklore:
You are correct.
But, some work was created to be seen as digital displays. And, I believe that although different in digital format, we can pull meaning from works on here. Even if it is slightly different than the original interpretation due to the context in which it is seen. Insitu and conceptual works immediately jump to mind as works that may have very, very different interpretations, due to proximity of how we see them and the way the environment plays on the idea.

The Last Supper by da Vinci was intended to be seen by only the brotherhood who dined before the mural. The actual location plays a big part in the meaning. However, because of photography and printing developments, those of us who know nothing of the brotherhood whom are intended to dine and ponder the work, can pull meaning from it. Also many sculptures are to be seen and critiqued insitu as well, but most of us have all seen and understand the significance of David, Piata, or Laocoön through pictures in books and websites. Therefore, we can just as easily enjoy the works of others here on DA, intended to be seen in person.

Yes, there are great works of art here, and ordinary works as well. Some come to make a statement, others come to play. All is good in the big picture of things, and some may find great validity and understanding through works, which my "value" filter sees as ordinary. Who am I to judge? :)

But, it's cool that you like to look for the deeper meaning. But, sometimes others may see deeper meaning where the artist didn't intend. Then, maybe the artist may want to rework the piece if it is a problem. Da Vinci had to rework many works. That is why there are multiples of the same works by him. Many great artists had to do this. Especially artists that knew that their work was to be the major force in communicating an important idea, such as religion or politics.

Bravo to you! I'm so glad that you are so passionate about the way you look and research works. And, I am so glad that you recognize a difference in works in their different formats.

Rock on :headbang:

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I have learned many things in my 50+ years but none that have spoken so many truths about art and how to really critique the many varieties of artworks produced here at dA :boogie: This was very informative, and I thank-you! I watch over, let's see, 1,352 deviants so far and love all the wonderful art, I almost feel like I own my own art gallery :rofl: I'm not good at critiquing the photo manipulators, I just know what I like, and when it feels right to me I fav, but rarely comment, other than COOL! :rofl: I vow to do a better job at commenting from now on! :icondelightfulplz::icondancedanceplz::glomp:
:w00t!::w00t!:

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:iconcosmicfolklore:
We can learn so much from each other, despite experience with this process. Even from little children. Remember that it was a child who exclaimed that the emperor wears no clothes:)

Sometimes when I am in a pinch, I grab a little kid and bring them into the studio and ask their opinion on my work. They are the least tainted with filters and perceptions on what are "should" be.

Thanks, and you're welcome :)

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:iconsarahb86:
Very inspiring! I had a similar incident with a professor and a piece of photography. :) She was right though and it is forcing me to re-evaluate my work.

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