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Regarding Drawing Without Models or Reference

*Kourete:iconKourete: reports, May 24
The most controversial and strange (with some important implications) aspect of my work is that the majority of my work is done without models or reference. It is "from my head." I am often asked how I do this and what the techniques are but for sometime I've been at a loss to describe this process. I think I have been able to order my thoughts and some data regarding this subject which I'd like to share here.

Yesterday I received an email from an artist who was very complimentary to my work, but also wanted some ideas on how to proceed with drawing without references or models. The letter echoed several other letters and comments I've received, so I set about answering it.

I think my response helps answers some of the general questions I've received on this topic. Here is my response:

Thanks for the very kind email. Let me try to address your questions, but I must admit there is some difficulty I am finding in relating the difference between drawing with models and without. The problem isn't the similarities in technique, the problem is they are extremely different procedures.

First I would recommend not being humbled. Just keep in mind I'm just another nerd, and it's likely what I can do, you and many others can do, but it may seem a bit new or counter intuitive so might feel unfamiliar and intimidating. Don't be intimidated, remember these are just drawings and there have to be easy methods and likely a ready body of knowledge to accomplish these drawings.

I started drawing without reference. When I started drawing from reference I just assumed I could. Drawing from reference is a smaller tool set then drawing from imagination because you don't have to calculate or puzzle as many aspects out. With reference, the whole reason for reference is, that a great deal of information is provided. There are also other differences. Like in how to think of the picture. With reference you get parts of the work as an already assembled sight. You know what it is at the start of the work and it has guides. Drawing from imagination you don't have an end result to compare it to (reference drawing is comparative), you are building and formulating based on several parts:
1. The mental image
2. The rules for the different aspects of the drawing (I'll explain more in a moment)
3.Acceptable distortion.

The mental image is easy enough but "getting it onto paper" seems to be difficult by popular description, but this has a fairly easy explanation. The habit for people drawing and how they are taught and often learn to draw is to draw drawings. People draw in the way they have been show to draw. That is they use simplified ways of drawing, using lines to map shapes. And these line maps are simplified to a very few compositions. When people try to translate the mental image they are using the habitual tools which were invented and adapted to cover a different purpose. Line mapping is comparative and comes from using reference. The mental image isn't "set" like a photo, or actual vision. It is general in conception and only sharpens as it is considered in detail. Even the mental image needs to be built and in large part invented as one goes. Many trying to draw this first general unsettled mental image try to use it like picture reference- but it isn't done yet. So with habitual line mapping, unsteady mental reference (and conflicting points of concentration jumping from the act of drawing to the act of imagining) the endeavor will likely fail. So other procedures have to be used. New methods of translation other than traditional drawing need to be used. For many this would mean they could not think of this task as a drawing at all (in the sense they traditionally think of drawing).

The rules for the different aspects of the drawing will be somewhat familiar because a great deal of drawing is based in technique and rules. But there are differences. Rules of perspective can be useful, for example. But these type of rules, trained and instructed have limited use(and can be broken effectively). The rules that are important have to do with parts. When using reference to draw an arm you are limited to some tool rules. How you use your pencils or paint, or how to use this position to restrain the measure of that position. And these rules do come into play, but the foremost rules in drawing the example arm, would be a series of questions and considerations. What is an arm? What are it's parts. What do all arms have in common? What is extremely variable arm to arm? How does an arm work? And then How does light work on objects? etc. The first few times you deal with these questions it is a struggle to answer them. But you only need to answer them once to start to get useful answers. (You, however, have to revisit these questions perennially.)

The last part, acceptable distortions, has to do with "real", and what falls within limits of perceived reality. Dealing with elements and building any type of image will uncover areas where exaggerations and distortions can be completely useful and enhance the work. Bernini experimented with this type of distortion working against "measured" realism, with exaggeration because our perception exaggerates, and this is how our brains deal with events in time and space (prior to this geometry, following the Greeks, was held as the essential principle for realism). Light and paint pigments do not act the same. Pigments mix in a way that light doesn't, which means you can do things with paint pigments light cannot do (and vice versa). Which means you can make the illusion of light in a painting do convincing things actual light cannot do. Every tool in a painting or drawing which interprets something else (form, structure, lighting-as opposed to light-, perspective etc) can be convincingly distorted, embellished, and even blended in unlikely (or impossible) but convincing ways. The question is in what proportion and how well these distortions fit within the composition as it evolves from the mental image.

Memory can be good and helpful, but memory isn't a stand alone issue. Separating the memory from intelligence or figuring isn't possible. So I don't think it can be held aside or honed as a separate principle. to hone skills drawing without reference I would suggest practice (which can weed out problems and errors) and study everything you can, and anything you can. Some of my capabilities with art come from studying history or mythology, or listening to music or reading poetry (these all build mental imagery, and the more you practice this the clearer it gets). Writing also helps. Art isn't a stand alone event or skill, so to hold it aside or aloft will actually ruin the endeavor. Personally I think this is a great failing of many would be artists- they worship "art" without realizing art is dependent on interest and interesting things.

Anyway, I hope I have answered your questions in a clear way, and thanks again for the letter.

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I will use this. Thanks!

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I know you like what's on my mind
I know what eats you up inside
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:iconmsdawe:
Nicely put. By allowing us to get a glimpse at how you see this it helps me take a few steps back on how my process works when drawing with no reference, and I'm seeing realistic and believable exaggeration in a new light - I must get to work on it, hah.
:iconpen-is-envy:
Damn that was a fast turnaround! Thank you so much for this -- again. :) Continued good health.
:iconmarinemantis3ye:
what i figure that works, (not only with figure drawing, but really anything), is to draw from a reference first. drawing from the reference will help you better understand the subject within your mind, almost like making an imprint in your head. then, after many practices later, the mind will be able to create its own forms and compositions without having to refer to anything. that's when the imagination comes in.

i was wondering this exact question when i first came across your page. your anatomy is so exact, that its hard to believe you dont use reference, be it 2D or models. how long have you been drawing the figure?

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:iconnuwaver74:
I draw from memory too, but not very detailed. Sometimes i'll have an idea for a drawing and i'll do a loose sketch just to get the basics in. But definitely need a reference when adding finer details etc. Pretty amazing looking at your work and then going...how's it possible to do this using little or no reference?

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:iconayalpinkus:
I suspect you had a very thorough training first drawing from life, before you could paint and draw like you do now :-)

Your work is very inspiring!
:iconkourete:
That is very kind.
As to training the opposite is true. I had no training.
:icondeepestmystery:
Very nicely written! There is a lot of truth in your words :)

However, don't you think it's important to have some kind of training beforehand - for example reading a book on proportions and perspective, techniques regarding using your tools properly etc, etc ... I believe this is an important base that will later give one's imagination greater abilities...
:iconkourete:
Thank you.

To answer your question, no I don't think training need be the foundation. I think training is mistaken for a gift of knowledge. But it isn't. There have to be innate foundations first. If we look at training the body, for example, there are some innate aspects, such as the working parts of the body, and even innate exercises (infants do something like sit ups to prepare for the strength to sit upright and stand). The tools to exercise and build muscle are largely there and already in use. Training focuses and tries to make this use more efficient. There has to be some tools with which to train. With drawing and painting as soon as we learn to see we have differentiated and assembled a great deal of what is "trained" later. The training counts as authority and recipes. Let's take perspective. By accepting this as subjects on which to train false limitations are imposed. Perspective, as used by the Greeks and rediscovered in the renaissance, is often used to indicate depth in space proportionally. But another aspect, perspective used as a clock, or to guide by time is less well known, and not trained. The tools that are "trained" are usually redundant to things we can easily and intuitively sense. I think it is good to train and learn efficient modes of understanding what we innately and intuitively order, but I don't think it is the foundation. I think that is putting the cart before the horse.

I think training has more than one use. I think in a pragmatic way it can demonstrate clear ways to proceed and understand. It can lessen error with tried methods and that is good. On the other hand training is given a magical authority as if it is the key to understanding. Training is not knowledge, and one must have knowledge to understand training. What is taught in training can also be learned alone. Training is useful in that it abbreviates the time it takes to go through all the possibilities. This is also the flaw of training in that you don't get the benefit of learning all the possibilities which may be equally useful to anything trained. It is one thing to be trained by someone who has gone through a large number of possibilities. It is another to be trained by someone who themselves were trained (as is usually the case). This means that fewer and fewer things and parts of knowledge are being handed to those receiving third and fourth and fifth generation training. Considering perspective as a clock above, that doesn't fall into a category of training. It would be and is overlooked because training has to do with categories and methods. But what about those parts that have yet to be described or categorized, but can still be discerned and used? Training is good only after one knows what is already useful and wants to trim their tool set.
 

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